Delid | KitGuru https://www.kitguru.net KitGuru.net - Tech News | Hardware News | Hardware Reviews | IOS | Mobile | Gaming | Graphics Cards Wed, 19 Apr 2023 13:36:49 +0000 en-US hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.4.3 https://www.kitguru.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/cropped-KITGURU-Light-Background-SQUARE2-32x32.png Delid | KitGuru https://www.kitguru.net 32 32 EKWB addresses direct die cooling issues and will ship replacement parts https://www.kitguru.net/components/cooling/matthew-wilson/ekwb-addresses-direct-die-cooling-issues-and-will-ship-replacement-parts/ https://www.kitguru.net/components/cooling/matthew-wilson/ekwb-addresses-direct-die-cooling-issues-and-will-ship-replacement-parts/#respond Tue, 18 Apr 2023 16:02:47 +0000 https://www.kitguru.net/?p=612044 EKWB recently launched a range of Direct Die CPU cooling products, but unfortunately, there have been some issues. This week, EK confirmed that it has heard the feedback around issues and is making adjustments to solve them.  Some of you may remember that we worked with EKWB last year on Direct Die cooling, providing testing …

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EKWB recently launched a range of Direct Die CPU cooling products, but unfortunately, there have been some issues. This week, EK confirmed that it has heard the feedback around issues and is making adjustments to solve them. 

Some of you may remember that we worked with EKWB last year on Direct Die cooling, providing testing and feedback during the development process of these products. At the time, we found that the delid tool could strip threads and we ran into an issue with poor cold plate contact. As it turns out, some customers also faced similar problems, leading to EKWB addressing the issue on Facebook today.

Here's what EK had to say in its public response:

“In the weeks since our Direct Die products launched, we have received a small number of complaints regarding ease of use and thermal performance. Even though the majority of products functioned exactly as intended, we remain committed to ensuring that all our customers have the same positive experience.

Unlike conventional CPU water blocks, our Direct Die products do not rely on mounting pressure from the springs, as this would exert excessive force on the die. Instead, the die guard controls the interference between the coldplate and the die. We quickly discovered that there was a discrepancy in the interference caused by the thickness of the die guard directly over the CPU PCB. A small percentage of die guards on the upper limit of their manufacturing tolerance did not allow sufficient interference for effective thermal transfer to the coldplate. In response, we have now implemented a stricter tolerance to exclude such parts. If you believe that your product may be affected, check the contact with the thermal paste. If it does not spread thinly, please contact EK support directly for a replacement.

Initially, the coldplates of all Direct Die products were turned using a lathe, this can be seen by the distinctive concentric machining marks. While EK first used this machining technique to produce curved coldplates for Magnitude, we can assure you that all Direct Die coldplates are flat, despite their similarity in physical appearance. In the future, we will face-mill the contact surface on all Direct Die coldplates so that the visual appearance of the flat part meets the expectations, even though this will not impact performance.

Several weeks ago, a revision was made to our IHS Removal Tool manual which detailed all additional precautions that can be taken to safely remove the IHS without damaging the CPU or the tool. We also published a video carefully detailing and explaining all of the steps. If you have any issues with the female threads stripping from the tool, we will issue a replacement that has more thread engagement.”

EKWB has said that if customers are facing one of the errors mentioned, they can contact EK support for replacement parts. Unfortunately at the time of publishing, the message has not yet been shared on EK's news page on its website, or on its other social channels, such as Twitter, so hopefully this article will help raise awareness for users.

If you have had issues with any EK Direct Die cooling gear, you can contact EK Support, HERE.

Discuss on our Facebook page, HERE.

KitGuru Says: We were told EK had trouble replicating the issues themselves during the development process but these things often become easier to find when there are more users to gather feedback from. Hopefully, anyone facing issues with the Direct Die cooling tools can get replacement parts swiftly. 

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Overclocker der8auer has already managed to delid a Ryzen CPU, reveals solder TIM https://www.kitguru.net/components/cpu/matthew-wilson/overclocker-der8auer-has-already-managed-to-delid-a-ryzen-cpu-reveals-solder-tim/ https://www.kitguru.net/components/cpu/matthew-wilson/overclocker-der8auer-has-already-managed-to-delid-a-ryzen-cpu-reveals-solder-tim/#comments Fri, 03 Mar 2017 20:22:09 +0000 http://www.kitguru.net/?p=324002 If you happened to be wondering what AMD was using under the hood for its Ryzen chips as far as Thermal Interface Material goes, then you will be happy to know that professional overclocker, Roman ‘der8auer' Hartung has already successfully managed to delid his Ryzen 7 1700. By delidding the processor, he was able to find …

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If you happened to be wondering what AMD was using under the hood for its Ryzen chips as far as Thermal Interface Material goes, then you will be happy to know that professional overclocker, Roman ‘der8auer' Hartung has already successfully managed to delid his Ryzen 7 1700. By delidding the processor, he was able to find that AMD is using solder as its TIM of choice between the die and IHS (integrated heat spreader).

Der8auer went over his delid process in a YouTube video, though the video is not to be taken as a tutorial. Delidding can be a costly process and prior to this successful attempt, Der8auer had accidentally killed two other Ryzen 1700s while delidding.

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In order to separate the IHS from the die, razor blades and a heating element needed to be used to heat the glue up enough to allow the IHS to be carefully separated. With AMD still using pins on the bottom of its CPUs, this can be tricky enough as you need to be more careful while handling the processor in general.

With the IHS removed, we can see that AMD is using two small pads of indium solder and some gold plating to help with heat transfer. AMD appears to be using high quality stuff too, as there have been no reported issues of these CPUs running overly hot, essentially removing the need for delidding in the first place.

KitGuru Says: Delidding is a very tricky process and there is a very real chance of breaking your CPU, so it isn't something we generally recommend trying. However, it was certainly interesting to watch der8auer attempt it and reveal what AMD has going on under the hood of Ryzen. 

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Core i7 7700K TIM replacement improves 5GHz OC temps by 30 degrees https://www.kitguru.net/components/cpu/matthew-wilson/core-i7-7700k-tim-replacement-improves-5ghz-oc-temps-by-30-degrees/ https://www.kitguru.net/components/cpu/matthew-wilson/core-i7-7700k-tim-replacement-improves-5ghz-oc-temps-by-30-degrees/#comments Thu, 15 Dec 2016 23:45:49 +0000 http://www.kitguru.net/?p=314839 While Intel has yet to officially launch its Kaby Lake desktop CPUs, plenty of people seem to have got their hands on the Core i7 7700K already, with plenty of benchmarks already floating around the web. One of the worrying aspects about these early reviews has been reported temperatures, which seem to be quite a …

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While Intel has yet to officially launch its Kaby Lake desktop CPUs, plenty of people seem to have got their hands on the Core i7 7700K already, with plenty of benchmarks already floating around the web. One of the worrying aspects about these early reviews has been reported temperatures, which seem to be quite a bit higher than Skylake and this week, someone may have figured out why as one user claims to have delid their 7700K to replace the TIM, which has dramatically improved temperatures while overclocked.

User ‘RichUK' on the Anandtech forum has managed to get an early 7700K retail sample and has managed to get a 5GHz overclock on it. While running at this speed with a Kraken X62 AIO cooler, the CPU would hit around 90 degrees Celsius under full load but after delidding the CPU and replacing the Thermal Interface Material (TIM), temperatures have dropped to a much more reasonable 64 degrees Celsius.

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This suggests that perhaps Intel has been using poor quality TIM for its new Kaby Lake chips, which as wccftech pointed out, is an issue that has popped up before and was eventually fixed with the Devil's Canyon Haswell refresh. All of that said though, it is also worth keeping in mind that temperatures for Kaby Lake may also be a bit higher compared to Skylake due to the new stock clocks. The 6700K ships with a 4.2GHz boost clock, whereas the 7700K ships with a 4.5GHz boost.

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KitGuru Says: Things are still pretty early as far as the Core i7 7700K goes, so more testing will need to be done across a larger user base before we can be sure about any of these early findings. That said, for enthusiast overclockers, early indications seem to point towards delidding being the way to go for these chips.

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