leo says | KitGuru https://www.kitguru.net KitGuru.net - Tech News | Hardware News | Hardware Reviews | IOS | Mobile | Gaming | Graphics Cards Mon, 11 Mar 2024 16:08:39 +0000 en-US hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.4.3 https://www.kitguru.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/cropped-KITGURU-Light-Background-SQUARE2-32x32.png leo says | KitGuru https://www.kitguru.net 32 32 Leo Says Ep. 75 – Samsung Galaxy Ring and Oura https://www.kitguru.net/tech-news/featured-announcement/leo-waldock/leo-says-ep-75-samsung-galaxy-ring-and-oura/ https://www.kitguru.net/tech-news/featured-announcement/leo-waldock/leo-says-ep-75-samsung-galaxy-ring-and-oura/#respond Mon, 11 Mar 2024 15:00:13 +0000 https://www.kitguru.net/?p=651093 KitGuru was paying close attention when Samsung teased their Galaxy Ring wearable in January at their Galaxy Unpacked event. When MWC rolled around in February we saw the Galaxy Ring on show and thought 'eh? that looks familiar' as the resemblance to the Oura Gen 3 is quite uncanny, and that seemed like a golden opportunity for Leo to gives his thoughts...

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KitGuru was paying close attention when Samsung teased the Galaxy Ring wearable in January at their Galaxy Unpacked event. When MWC rolled around in February, we saw the Galaxy Ring on show and thought ‘eh? that looks familiar' as the resemblance to the Oura Gen 3 is quite uncanny, and that seemed like a golden opportunity for me to give you my thoughts…

Wearables are a fairly new set of products that mainly cosist of watches from the likes of Apple, Garmin and Samsung. They are useful for sending alerts about emails and messages and can also be used for sleep tracking, ECG and other health monitoring. The obvious snag is that most people do not wear their watch at night as it can be uncomfortable and typically it requires recharging, and that is where rings come into the equation.

We haven't yet been hands-on with the Galaxy Ring which is expected to launch in July, however we are familiar with the Oura Gen 3 which has some obvious similarities. The Oura can run for up to a week on one charge and weighs less than 3g, so it is a simple matter to wear the ring pretty for the vast majority of the day. This allows the sensors and software to build up a detailed picture of your lifestyle and behaviour which in turn means you can gain insights about your health. Are you sleeping well? Are you feeling rested or tense? Should you make an appointment with your Doctor to check your ECG? If you wear a ring you will have the data to confirm vague feelings and also to allay misplaced concerns.

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KitGuru says: When Samsung launches their Galaxy Ring we expect sleep tracking will become a mainstream part of healthcare.

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Leo Says Ep.74: Qualcomm Snapdragon X Elite! https://www.kitguru.net/components/cpu/leo-waldock/leo-says-ep-74-qualcomm-snapdragon-x-elite/ https://www.kitguru.net/components/cpu/leo-waldock/leo-says-ep-74-qualcomm-snapdragon-x-elite/#respond Tue, 05 Mar 2024 13:00:37 +0000 https://www.kitguru.net/?p=650515 Leo looks ahead to the Snapdragon X Elite, expected to launch at Computex

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Here at KitGuru we get properly excited as Computex looms on the horizon but this year we are extra-special excited as 2024 is the year we will see a new company enter the chip market to take on AMD and Intel. We are talking about Qualcomm and their Snapdragon X Elite, and the reason this is particularly exciting is that these Qualcomm laptops will run Windows on their Arm architecture.

Time stamps
00:00 Start
00:34 Snapdragon X Elite
01:47 Partners / Summit
02:15 A deeper look
04:25 The Intel angle
15:00 Leo signs off

In our video we use two photos provided by Hardwareluxx so please visit their original reporting HERE.

In our video we detail the claims made by Qualcomm but of  course we are in no position to check their homework as we have not yet seen these laptops for ourselves.

Even so, the raw statistics paint a pretty picture with 12 cores fabricated on TSMC 4nm, a maximum speed of 3.8GHz and two cores boosting to 4.3GHz along with a healthy slab of LPDDR5x memory, which sounds like a fine combination.

The natural thought is that both AMD and Intel will be deeply concerned by Qualcomm's new chip and in the short term we are sure that will be true. In our video we look a few years into the future and check out the moves that Intel is making to move chip manufacturing away from Asia and towards Europe and in particular to the USA. We can easily imagine a future where Intel will make chips for AMD, Apple, Nvidia and Qualcomm but that won't happen for some while.

In the meantime our immediate interest is the launch of Qualcomm Snapdragon Elite X which we expect at Computex in three months time.

Discuss on our Facebook page HERE.

KitGuru says: Provided Qualcomm can make Windows 11 run properly on Arm, we can hope for great things from Snapdragon X Elite.

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Leo talks DDR5 with AMD’s Martijn Boonstra https://www.kitguru.net/channel/generaltech/matthew-wilson/leo-talks-ddr5-with-amds-martijn-boonstra/ https://www.kitguru.net/channel/generaltech/matthew-wilson/leo-talks-ddr5-with-amds-martijn-boonstra/#respond Fri, 08 Dec 2023 12:00:13 +0000 https://www.kitguru.net/?p=640210 We dig into the details of EXPO and talk about the balance between clock speed and latency...

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KitGuru is working on a feature about DDR5 memory, and the research is turning out to be rather more enjoyable than we would have expected. We have spoken to Dan Ragland at Intel and he was so enthusiastic that we decided to publish the conversation as a separate video. Now it is the turn of Martijn Boonstra, an AMD Product and Development Manager, as we dig into the details of EXPO and talk about the balance between clock speed and latency.

You can rest assured that we also asked Martijn one of the more important questions of our times, whether RGB lighting is good, excellent or brilliant. It turns out the most important tip for gamers is to set your lighting to red as that guarantees 1,000fps. We think Martijn was joking but honestly, it is tricky to be certain.

Watch via YouTube below:

KitGuru Says: Our conversations with Intel and AMD about DDR5 have been illuminating so far – stay tuned for more from Leo soon!

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Leo Says Ep. 68: Making Meteor Lake in Malaysia! https://www.kitguru.net/components/leo-waldock/leo-says-ep-68-making-meteor-lake-in-malaysia/ https://www.kitguru.net/components/leo-waldock/leo-says-ep-68-making-meteor-lake-in-malaysia/#respond Fri, 01 Sep 2023 14:16:21 +0000 https://www.kitguru.net/?p=628573 Leo took a recent trip to Malaysia to find out how Meteor Lake is being made

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KitGuru has been to Malaysia with Intel on a Tech Tour that took us behind closed doors where we watched the Intel staff cut chips from wafers and then use Foveros packaging to create 14th Gen Meteor Lake laptop processors. To add the the fun I had my photo taken with a massive Ponte Vecchio graphics chip…

Intel will announce details of 14th Gen Meteor Lake at their Innovation event on the 19th September, so for the next few weeks we are sworn to secrecy. Sadly I am unable to show my personal highlight of our Tech Tour which was the sight of robotic carts carrying valuable cargoes of Meteor Lake and Sapphire Rapids chips around the enormous Penang production plant as no video was permitted.

For the second part of our tour we were shown some of the testing that goes on in Penang and Kulim which is both monumental and mind-warping. If you ever wondered whether your laptop or PC can truly support the full set of USB connections along with every SATA and M.2 connection plus Wi-Fi, Bluetooth and Thunderbolt, well the answer is a resounding Yes.

KitGuru Says: Meteor Lake is coming very soon and we plan on lining up some laptop reviews in double quick time.

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Leo Says Ep.67 – Is Intel really ditching its 20A process for TSMC N3? https://www.kitguru.net/components/cpu/leo-waldock/leo-says-ep-67-is-intel-really-ditching-its-20a-process-for-tsmc-n3/ https://www.kitguru.net/components/cpu/leo-waldock/leo-says-ep-67-is-intel-really-ditching-its-20a-process-for-tsmc-n3/#respond Sat, 05 Aug 2023 11:00:39 +0000 https://www.kitguru.net/?p=625392 We recently covered Intel's claim that it would deliver five fabrication nodes in four years which would allow the chip giant to regain its process technology leadership, presumably from TSMC, by 2025. These are bold claims that were immediately challenged by news that Intel would ditch its own 20A process in Arrow Lake and would instead use the TSMC N3 process...

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We recently covered Intel's claim that it would deliver five fabrication nodes in four years which would allow the chip giant to regain its process technology leadership, presumably from TSMC, by 2025. These are bold claims that were immediately challenged by news that Intel would ditch its own 20A process in Arrow Lake and would instead use the TSMC N3 process…

Timestamps

00:00 Quick recap – 5 nodes in 4 years
03:07 Now is Intel dropping 20A node?
06:11 Leo ponders the utility of roadmaps…
07:53 The financials
10:45 Intel is in a tricky position
11:51 Pulling together the different threads

This news was problematic to our ears as it suggested we had just sat through an hour-long Intel briefing about 5 Nodes in 4 Years that was designed to deceive. We were confident Intel intended to deliver on its process roadmap and it was crystal clear their roadmap says that Arrow Lake would use the Intel 20A process, however that still leave a few questions. The first is, which part(s) of  Arrow Lake would be made by Intel and which part(s) by TSMC? The second question is whether that answer would apply to all the SKUs of Arrow Lake or would some models have one configuration and some models use another configuration.

The most likely explanation is provided by YouTuber Moore's Law Is Dead who has information that Intel will use their own silicon in some CPU tiles and will turn to TSMC for other models:

TSMC N3 process: Desktop i9 8+32 cores, Desktop i7 8+16 and Desktop/laptop i5/i7 6+8 cores
Intel 20A process: Desktop i5/i3 6+8 cores
Intel 20A process: Laptop i3 2+8 cores

KitGuru says: What do you think Intel will do with its Arrow Lake lineup? Let us know whether your agree or disagree with Leo!

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Leo Says Ep.66: Intel’s 5 Nodes in 4 years https://www.kitguru.net/components/cpu/leo-waldock/leo-says-ep-66-intels-5-nodes-in-4-years/ https://www.kitguru.net/components/cpu/leo-waldock/leo-says-ep-66-intels-5-nodes-in-4-years/#respond Wed, 05 Jul 2023 11:00:57 +0000 https://www.kitguru.net/?p=622186 The man himself is back with another episode of Leo Says - this time, it's all about Intel

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No doubt you have your views about the TikTok video platform, but years before we knew that name Intel unleashed the similarly-named Tick Tock, which was an entirely different animal. It started life as a description of a cadence of a new fabrication process node followed by an enhancement of the node but soon became an embarrassment as Intel got stuck at 14nm, 14nm+, 14nm++ and 14nm+++.

Intel has broken the log jam with the 10nm and Intel 7 processes, however we wonder whether they will be able to catch up with TSMC, AMD, Apple and Nvidia. This is a huge and vexed question but there is a specific point we can address; is Intel able to deliver five nodes in four years?

Timestamps:

00:00 Start
01:23 Where did Intel go wrong?
12:24 What is the Fix?
14:13 Delivering on their roadmap, does that fix the problem?
20:45 Summary
21:29 Does this actually matter? Intel vs. TSMC, Samsung, AMD, Nvidia, Amazon, RISC V, Meta and Apple.
26:41 Closing Thoughts

Intel process slide

Leo's notes

Prologue
Over the years Intel has supplied the world with processors and has made fortunes, however the tide has turned.
Who can save Intel from these dire problems – or might they be die problems?- the most likely answer is CEO Pat Gelsinger.

Chapter 1 – Where did Intel go wrong?
Let's pin the blame on delays to their 10nm process.
In 2008 when Pat Gelsinger was Intel's CTO he said that Intel saw a clear way towards the 10nm node.
In 2009 Gelsinger left Intel working first at EMC and then at VMWare before he returned to Intel in 2021 as CEO.

Chapter 2 – What is the Fix?
Five Nodes in Four Years
Disaggregation of design and process
Increased emphasis on packaging

Chapter 3 – If Intel is able to deliver its roadmap, does that fix the problem?
Chapter 4 – Does it matter?
Intel vs. TSMC, Samsung, AMD, Nvidia, Amazon, RISC V, Meta and Apple.
Consumers buy products rather than process nodes or technologies

KitGuru says: Do you think Intel can get the edge over TSMC and Samsung? Let us know your thoughts in the comments.

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Luke and Leo Get Technical (Ep13) – More Intel 12th Gen CPUs to Come https://www.kitguru.net/components/cpu/luke-hill/luke-and-leo-get-technical-ep13-more-intel-12th-gen-cpus-to-come/ https://www.kitguru.net/components/cpu/luke-hill/luke-and-leo-get-technical-ep13-more-intel-12th-gen-cpus-to-come/#respond Wed, 17 Nov 2021 10:55:33 +0000 https://www.kitguru.net/?p=539681 We have seen the ‘K’ suffix Core i9, Core i7, and Core i5 12th Gen processors from Intel, but that will not be the entire stack. In this one, Leo and Luke discuss the other possible upcoming 12th Gen processors and look at some of the parts that could be value champs taking the place of the Core i5-10400F and 11400F of yesteryear...

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We have seen the ‘K’ suffix Core i9, Core i7, and Core i5 12th Gen processors from Intel, but that will not be the entire stack. In this one, Leo and Luke discuss the other possible upcoming 12th Gen processors and look at some of the parts that could be value champs taking the place of the Core i5-10400F and 11400F of yesteryear. We also digress on how bad Intel's naming scheme continues to be!

Timestamps:

00:00 Start
00:15 More Intel processors to come!
03:15 Naming discussed – Leo suggestions
05:58 i5 12400/F
07:05 CES launches?
07:45 other chipsets?
12:01 Pentium G7400 2 core/4 thread
13:06 Core i5 stack
14:40 Closing Thoughts

We start with Leo being trolled:

  • It’s basically obligatory at this point, isn’t it?!

More Intel 12th Gen processors to come:

  • Core i9-12900K, Core i7-12700K, Core i5-12600K are out in the wild
    • Along with their KF siblings
  • Plenty more products to come
    • Non-K parts, lower-end chips such as Core i3, and even a Pentium
  • But those lower-end parts are not Intel’s hybrid architecture
    • Even the non-K Core i5 chips have no Efficiency cores!
  • Intel really has greyed the water with what is a Core i9 or Core i7 or Core i5 in the past few generations

Intel had an opportunity to fix its naming scheme…

  • But they added more confusion instead
  • ‘K’ suffix used to mean unlocked multiplier for overclocking
    • Now it also highlights whether or not a chip has efficiency cores
    • That’s just needlessly confusing, once again
  • Should Intel start using Core i4 or Core i6 or Core i8?
    • Perhaps to indicate an omission of Efficiency cores for example?
  • Different Core i5 chips have different integrated graphics versions
    • That’s without even considering the ‘F’ suffix parts that do not have an iGPU
  • What is a 12th Gen Core i5 when you see it advertised by an OEM builder or on TV?
  • Could the 4C/8T Core i3 be a new low budget champ?
  • Intel’s naming scheme has been really bad for consumers for at least a couple of generations

Core i5-12400/F looks to be an upcoming winner:

  • Six core, 12 threads, decent clocks, reasonable cache
    • That looks to be a winner like the Core i5-10400F and Core i5-11400F from yesteryear
  • This will be a tough competitor versus the far more expensive Ryzen 5 parts
    • Especially the cheaper Ryzen 5 3000 options

CES 2022 for these new processors?

  • January 2022 release date according to the rumours
  • We’d imagine CES makes a lot of sense for these lower-end processors
    • As well as the non-K parts in the stack

New, lower-price chipsets are surely coming soon:

  • A cheap chip inside an expensive Z690 motherboard makes little sense
  • Will we see a ‘unicorn’ DDR5+DDR4 motherboard?
  • The cheaper chipsets will likely support DDR4 primarily in our opinion
  • And the lower-end chipset motherboards have been increasingly appealing in previous generations
    • That is thanks to Intel’s improved native memory speed support
    • As well as limited overclocking headroom even on the K SKUs
  • 4x M.2 SSDs alongside your $100 processor sound good?!
  • How many SATA drives do you still use?
    • HDDs? SSDs? ODDs?
    • And would you simply upgrade to a fewer number of large drives if your motherboard reduced its SATA port count?
  • Leo reminds Luke of his unfortunate SSD failure on his server recently
    • When SSDs fail, they fail!
    • There’s very little warning, and getting the data back is a thankless task!

Pentium G7400:

  • How does a dual-core, four-thread processor sound in today’s market?
    • We are actually struggling to see reasonable use cases to consumers
  • Maybe office PCs will use this hidden gem…?
  • Or maybe laptops, phones, and anything ARM make this pointless?

The cheap Core i5 chips will be of particular interest:

  • With an inherent lack of Ryzen 3 competition, the cheap Core i5 chips have an opportunity to clean house
    • Especially with an iGPU that could tide you over until the graphics card market is fixed
  • You can finally buy Ryzen 3 3000 series after dreadful availability since the 2020 launch
    • But these new Core i5s are likely to kill the appeal of those
  • We are looking forward to seeing these new Core i5s alongside a sensibly priced motherboard

Discuss on our Facebook page HERE.

KitGuru says: CES 2022 should deliver more information on the 12th Gen product stack. Are there any particular lower cost options that interest you and could put AMD under increasing pressure?

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Luke and Leo Get Technical (Ep10) – Intel Graphics https://www.kitguru.net/components/graphic-cards/luke-hill/luke-and-leo-get-technical-ep10-intel-graphics/ https://www.kitguru.net/components/graphic-cards/luke-hill/luke-and-leo-get-technical-ep10-intel-graphics/#respond Mon, 20 Sep 2021 07:15:01 +0000 https://www.kitguru.net/?p=531968 Intel's discrete desktop graphics products are just a few months away and we are excited to see what they bring to the table. In this one, we discuss the upcoming GPUs and we also go off on a tangent about HDR, display technologies, video connections, and other (somewhat) related topics. Leo's secret admirer also makes a guest appearance...

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Intel's discrete desktop graphics cards are just a few months away and we are excited to see what they bring to the table. In this one, we discuss the upcoming GPUs and we also go off on a tangent about HDR, display technologies, video connections, and other (somewhat) related topics. Leo's secret admirer also makes a guest appearance…

Video Timestamps:

00:00 Start
00:15 Shortages, Intel and Nvidia
03:19 Intel to save us all ?
04:42 Leo not happy with Raja for VEGA
05:42 Intel graphics – what could happen? will the drivers suck ?
07:34 Is 1440p the sweet spot ?
08:05 Leo and Luke know very little about Apple.
10:06 Windows 10, 11 , HDR and more rambling
12:18 Leo blinds Kitguru Editor using XDR monitor
14:12 HDR standards and TV 4K 120hz, confusing standards
17:16 Intel have a good record of supporting display technologies
18:29 HDR – we want to hear your views!
19:10 Leos phone alert, special thanks to Leo’s Wife, MeanBean
20:36 Will Intel succeed?
22:07 Leo goes off on a tangent about ‘like’, ‘respect’
23:31 Closing question on Intel graphics

Video Points

Graphics shortages… still
  • Will we ever be able to buy a graphics card again?
    • OK, maybe that's a bit extreme. But when?
  • Jensen Huang says 2022 may be tough as well!
    • And AMD is still pricing products high
  • Can Intel save the day?
  • Even Nvidia and their ‘partners' can't shake the current shortage
  • Nvidia is too rich to be messed with!
  • Do we even care about any new RTX 3000 series cards right now?
    • Would they just be another product that cannot be bought?
Will Intel be our saviour… on graphics?
  • The naming is still confusing, but this is expected for a brand new contender
    • We'll get the hang of this new naming… we promise!
  • Q1 2022 is the current estimation for launch
    • Assuming we don't get further shortages
  • Will Intel get greedy with pricing?
    • Do we even care if they are competent cards that we can actually buy?
  • The Intel marketing videos are still boring, though!

Please don't do a Vega, Intel

  • We don't need another flop like that!
  • Leo still hasn't forgiven Raja for coaxing him into partnering with proper money for Vega cards!
  • OK, OK, the Vega56 wasn't that bad
    • But the Vega64 cooling system was akin to the conveniently timed RAF Chinook helicopter that flew overhead during filming
    • Yay for inadvertent props!

Intel graphics

  • Another license for Intel to print even more money?
  • Expectations are high as this is a project many years in the works
  • TSMC manufacturing
    • At least we don't have to worry about any further Intel process node delays
  • Intel drivers – confidence inspiring or concerning?
    • Intel always likes to remind us how they have more software engineers than AMD has staff
  • XeSS upscaling – will it be any good?
    • Upscaling seems all the rage at the moment. Do you use it?
  • Leo has been playing train simulator…

We still love 1440p as the sweet spot

  • What are your thoughts on this?
  • Ultrawide 1440p is gaining much traction too, and for good reason in our opinions!
  • 4K is still great for video editing and high-res work
  • 5K or 8K? Yes please!
  • Or how about that Apple 6K display? Even more ‘yes please!

Apple… how do they do things!?

  • USB-C, Thunderbolt 3, DisplayPort, USB displays, daisy-chaining
    • It's all a bit difficult to keep up with on the Apple front, especially for users who aren't running Apple day-to-day
  • Apple's ability to mix styling with effective, functional cooling is absolutely unparalleled!
  • The HDR peak brightness is so high, the monitor needs cooling
    • But with such awesome styling, you wouldn't even know the design is also there for cooling needs
  • All Type-C connectivity
    • Apple is clearly very much set within its Thunderbolt and USB-C ecosystem

Windows 11 display abilities

  • We hope HDR improves for Windows 11
    • We certainly have not had much luck with HDR on Windows 10!
    • Not least because many of the marketing claims for HDR monitors are incredibly confusing
  • Leo's three LG monitors are HDR, HDR, and HDR
    • But they're all different HDR!
  • Windows just messes up HDR content in our experience

Leo blinds the KitGuru video editor

  • Shining a torch into the camera for a Mac Pro and Apple Pro Display XDR editor to view is borderline retinal assault
    • C'mon Leo, that's a harsh one!
  • Yep, it seems like Apple does HDR properly!
    • Even without any eyesight-saving safety features!
  • Leo sets off everybody's Apple Siri device… and Alexa… and Google!
    • Sorry!

HDR and 4K and 120Hz and HDMI and DisplayPort on TVs and monitors is a bit confusing too!

  • Netflix and Prime Video, for example, on a normal TV look superb in HDR
    • So why not HDR content in Windows?
  • Luke bought a Sony 65XH9005 TV recently
    • Is HDMI 2.1 on TVs implemented properly and with all the goodies?
  • DisplayPort, Mini-DisplayPort, USB-C DisplayPort, HDMI 2.1, the list goes on
    • It's all very confusing, especially when TVs don't really support DisplayPort but computer monitors do
  • Should we welcome a transition to HDMI on PC monitors?
    • Or does DisplayPort still do a good job?

Intel have a pretty good track record with supporting the latest display technologies and connections

  • Thy will need to have proper DP1.4 and HDMI 2.1 support for their graphics cards
    • Anything less would likely be unacceptable for high-end products in today's market
  • Remember the good old days of DVI?
    • Things have moved on a bit since then!

HDR – we want to hear your views

  • Tips and tricks for getting the best out of HDR on Windows would be very much welcomed!
  • Do you watch HDR content on your phone regularly?

Leo's secret admirer checks in

  • Such excellent feedback for his latest video review
    • Which one of you was so kind to him?
  • Kind comments simply will not do it for Leo!
    • That grammar better be faultless too!

Segue back to Intel graphics

  • Intel cannot afford to mess this one up
    • They have been presented with a golden opportunity to get an early footing in the dedicated graphics market
  • Do you consider yourself loyal to AMD graphics or Nvidia graphics?
    • Or do you simply buy from whichever vendor fits your needs when it comes to upgrade time?
  • If you couldn't have bought an AMD or Nvidia card, would you have bought Intel?
  • Would you buy an Intel graphics card even if AMD and Nvidia options are available?

Which boards partners will make Intel graphics card?

  • The Intel motherboard vendors – ASUS, Gigabyte, and MSI seem logical
    • What about ASRock as they only do AMD currently?
  • Will any of the AMD or Nvidia favourites dare risk their current relationships and offer up Intel options?
  • Do we still consider board partners to be as important an influential as they were a few generations ago?
    • Now that AMD and Nvidia both sell their own graphics cards from their own stores

Discuss on our Facebook page HERE.

KitGuru says: Intel has a fantastic opportunity to make an early statement in the discrete graphics card market. Which board partners do you think they will leverage for their upcoming GPUs?

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Luke and Leo Get Technical (Ep9) – AMD X570S https://www.kitguru.net/components/motherboard/luke-hill/luke-and-leo-get-technical-ep9-amd-x570s/ https://www.kitguru.net/components/motherboard/luke-hill/luke-and-leo-get-technical-ep9-amd-x570s/#respond Thu, 16 Sep 2021 07:47:02 +0000 https://www.kitguru.net/?p=531651 In this episode, Leo and Luke discuss new AMD X570S motherboards with an appearance by MSI's MPG X570S Carbon EK X. As usual, ramblings hit a variety of topics including liquid cooling, airflow, and Leo's own system that he uses daily...

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In this episode, Leo and Luke discuss new AMD X570S motherboards with an appearance by MSI's MPG X570S Carbon EK X. As usual, ramblings hit a variety of topics including liquid cooling, airflow, and Leo's own system that he uses daily.

Video Timestamps:

00:00 Start
00:15 MAG X570S Carbon EK X
04:33 X570S – what is it ?
09:00 Liquid Cooling – airflow
10:14 Leo forgets to breathe
11:39 Luke checks his flow
12:03 How much liquid cooling does AMD need?
14:35 Anyone remember the R9 295X2 ?
16:20 The X570S, passively cooled with monoblock
17:55 Luke asks Leo a question about his own system & Windows 11

Video Points

MSI MPG X570S Carbon EK X Motherboard
  • That name enough of a mouthful?
  • EK liquid cooling by default
  • Should we have basic VRM heatsink installed as standard?
    • How do you stress test in a simple way initially?
  • Leak tester included
  • That EK monoblock is heavy!
    • Nickel-plated copper
  • Nice and easy to install, by the looks of it
  • About 100 $/£ extra for the block worth it?

AMD X570S

  • Is it new chipset?
    • No
  • Technically, the X570 chipset itself has not changed according to our AMD contact
    • X570S is a marketing term used by the motherboard vendors to highlight their ‘silent' chipset boards
  • There are some older fanless X570 boards, remember
    • Gigabyte X570 Aorus Xtreme
    • ASUS Crosshair VIII Dark Hero
  • B550 is technically inferior
    • But is it really inferior in reality?
    • The lack of an onboard fan has always been quite appealing to us
    • Though less PCIe Gen 4 capability is a downside
  • Have you been annoyed by your X570 motherboard's fan?
    • And how fast does it spin?
  • Passively cooling the X570 chipset shouldn't be such a tough task
    • Especially with the monster heatsinks on modern motherboards
    • Were the original X570 designs too cautious with chipset cooling?
  • Gigabyte, ASUS, and MSI X570S board reviews coming soon
  • What about cooling those Gen 4 SSDs under the cooling shroud?

Liquid cooling airflow is a challenge

  • Rad positioning can hugely influence your motherboard, VRM, and SSD cooling behaviour
  • Liquid cooling the GPU is glorious!
    • CPUs show good benefit too
  • Do you run a CPU-only liquid cooling loop?
    • What is your opinion on custom liquid without the GPU in the loop?

Leo forgets to breathe when around glorious hardware

  • CPUs make him short of breathe
    • And so does working with wallet-busting graphics cards!
  • Don't mess up the block installation!

Things are flowing…

  • The monoblock has a small flowmeter integrated
    • Will it make any noise, Luke asks?
    • ‘No', Leo answers!
  • A noisy flowmeter on a passive board would be ironic

How much cooling does AMD Ryzen need?

  • The 5950X kicks out a bunch of power
    • But its thermals are OK
    • The 5900X, on the other hand!
  • Austrian muscle to save the day…?
    • We're talking about Noctua, of course!
    • Never mind, Arnie!
  • Cooling the GPU reaps major rewards!
    • But we won't argue with CPU liquid cooling either

Anybody remember the R9 295X2 and its single 120mm rad?

  • Dual R9 290X GPUs overclocked and on a single board
  • All cooled by a 120mm radiator
    • Now, that was an optimistic way to manage 500W of graphics card!
  • The rule of thumb is 1x 120mm unit plus 1x120mm per component
    • So maybe we are simply overdoing it with radiator area on custom loops
    • Especially when compared to the R9 295X2
  • But will new hardware and higher-powered processors change things?

MSI X570S passively cooled, with a monoblock

  • Leo will be doing an actual review of this board, so keep an eye out for it
  • And we will also be looking at other X570S motherboards
  • Do you think AMD X570 has earned a price premium over Intel mainstream chipset motherboards?

Let's talk Leo's own system

  • Would you be happy to buy X570/AM4 knowing that a replacement platform is due next year?
  • Leo runs Threadripper 2000 on X399
    • It was upgraded from Threadripper 1000 when Threadripper 2000 was discounted
  • Leo really wants Threadripper 3000
    • And the high-end, absolutely superb TRX40 platform
    • Better raid the piggy bank!
  • Do YOU care if a platform is end-of-life when you want to buy it?
    • Does Windows 11 quirky support change your perspective?
  • Maybe AM4 and Zen 3 would be a very good option for Leo to upgrade to?

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KitGuru says: Are you excited by some of the new X570S options? Or is your upgrade money earmarked for Intel Z690 or AMD AM5?

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Luke and Leo Get Technical (Ep8) – Intel Alder Lake https://www.kitguru.net/components/cpu/luke-hill/luke-and-leo-get-technical-ep8-intel-alder-lake/ https://www.kitguru.net/components/cpu/luke-hill/luke-and-leo-get-technical-ep8-intel-alder-lake/#respond Wed, 15 Sep 2021 07:19:12 +0000 https://www.kitguru.net/?p=531495 We are finally back in person for another Leo and Luke discussion about some exciting tech topics. We start with a talk on Intel's upcoming 12th Gen Alder Lake CPUs and the upcoming introduction of DDR5 memory. There's plenty to be excited about, so let's speculate rampantly...

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We are finally back in person for another Leo and Luke discussion (rambling) about some exciting tech topics. We start this batch out with a talk on Intel's upcoming 12th Gen Alder Lake CPUs. These will represent a long overdue updated architecture for Intel in the consumer desktop CPU space, and we will also see the introduction of DDR5 memory. There's plenty to be excited about, so let's speculate rampantly. 

Video Timestamps:

00:00 Start
00:15 A bit of waffle on Alder Lake and events
04:25 Leo shows Luke his motherboards
05:54 Intel Thread Director – busy October
07:33 New Process  – and which is the best Intel CPU?
09:15 AMD Ryzen 7 5801X/T 3D?
09:53 Intel Dying? – Steve Burke interview from a few years ago
12:15 12th Gen Alder Lake – will it be good?
13:25 Intel v AMD …. mmm Leo’s point testing processors
16:55 Adobe or Adobe?
17:23 Travelling to events and (funny) launch discussions
20:09 Memory standards
21:55 Alder Lake memory support
23:10 Easy Tiger
24:00 Alder Lake is coming

Video Points

We're back in person!
  • It certainly has been a while, and the world has definitely changed, but we are back in person for the first time since CES in January 2020!
  • Will in-person events be a thing again, or has business travel for all industries changed forever?

Intel Alder Lake is coming soon

  • Performance and Efficiency cores seem a lot like Arm big.LITTLE
  • Z690 likely in October
  • DDR5 for the first time to desktop consumers
  • Brand new Intel architecture!
  • Windows 11

MSI EK liquid cooled motherboards

  • Z490 10th Gen
  • Z590 11th Gen
  • X570S
  • Do consumers care about current Intel platforms?
    • Will intel 12th Gen change that?

Testing Intel Alder Lake

  • Thread Director and Windows 11 should be interesting if they function well early on
  • How exciting will Alder Lake be?
    • Finally a new CPU architecture, new platform, DDR5, and new Windows OS
  • New transistor process node – Intel 7…
    • … yep, still confusing naming!

Which is the best Intel CPU right now?

  • Core i5 on balance
  • 11900K or KF?
  • What about the 10-core 10900K and 10850K?
  • 11th Gen has PCIe Gen 4, though
  • A tough choice – will Alder Lake solve that or add more confusion?

AMD with some tricks up its sleeves?

  • What will the AMD CPU with 3D cache be called?
    • 5800XT? 5800X 3D? 5801X? 6800X?
  • Could AMD be poised to counter-punch Alder Lake quickly?

Intel, Intel, Intel

  • How long will Intel's challenges continue?
    • Intel is not dying!
  • Intel HEDT is no match for Threadripper in 2021
  • It has been a tough few years for Intel!

Will 12th Gen Alder Lake be good? 

  • Can 12th Gen Alder Lake be the initial step towards positive change for Intel?
  • Is 12th Gen being ‘not rubbish‘ on the desktop good enough?
    • Especially if mobile laptop chips are good.
  • Perhaps P-cores and E-cores will be the joker card that Intel needs

Processor testing

  • Will 8-core 11th Gen be quicker than 8-core 12th Gen?
    • In high-end workloads, potentially
  • Please share your love for Handbrake!
    • Leo is giving me too much hassle for loving the tool!
  • How on earth will Leo differentiate between P-core workloads, E-core workloads, and simultaneous workloads?
  • Do you use any AI or AVX-512 workloads?

Intel's 12th Gen event

  • The Americans won't let Leo in!
  • It's a virtual event anyway, phew!
  • Working on a launch review whilst being 5000 miles away from the UK base is possible, right? Right?
    • And then the new BIOS comes and messes up the plan!

New DDR5 memory is exciting!

  • New CPU architecture, new Windows OS, why not new system memory also?
    • Roll on DDR5
  • DDR4 has been around since 2014 for consumers
    • That DDR4 launch on Intel's X99 platform was tough!
  • Surely there will be some headaches with the introduction of DDR5?
    • Intel deserves massive praise if it is a seamless integration
  • Will DDR5 buck the trend and be much better than mature DDR4 right away?
    • Perhaps all the smartphone experience with DDR5 will help
  • Of course, you can still use DDR4 with Alder Lake, motherboard dependent

Leo brings out the tiger!

  • £18?!?! Easy Tiger!

Alder Lake is just around the corner

  • We're really excited to see what Alder Lake offers
    • Will it be the most exciting Intel product in many years?
  • Announcement in a few weeks hopefully
    • And the same pricing would be nice!
  • Leo will have his hands full during October!

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KitGuru says: Will 12th Gen Alder Lake be the brand new shot in the arm that Intel desperately needs on the desktop consumer market? New architecture, new platform, and DDR5 memory – there is certainly a lot to be excited about!

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Leo Says Ep.63 – Intel Ditches Nanometres for Angstroms https://www.kitguru.net/components/cpu/matthew-wilson/leo-says-ep-63-intel-ditches-nanometres-for-angstroms/ https://www.kitguru.net/components/cpu/matthew-wilson/leo-says-ep-63-intel-ditches-nanometres-for-angstroms/#respond Wed, 28 Jul 2021 09:48:24 +0000 https://www.kitguru.net/?p=524904 We had big news from Intel this week, with the company unveiling its new process node roadmap and outlining plans to regain the process performance leadership crown by 2025. We've heard from Intel, now let's see what Leo thinks...

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We had big news from Intel this week, with the company unveiling its new process node roadmap and outlining plans to regain the process performance leadership crown by 2025. We've heard from Intel, now let's see what Leo thinks…

Timestamps:

00:00 Start
00:15 Intel Accelerated briefing
04:58 Intel’s processes overview
05:28 Intels ‘next’ major architecture and innovations
06:07 Roadmap looks ambitious – the Intel doctors talk
10:50 Next Gen EMIB
11:14 Meteor Lake with Foveros
11:38 Ponte Vecchio GPU and other technologies
12:35 Pat’s Gellsinger closing words
13:27 Amazon web services and Qualcomm
14:24 Leo’s Closing thoughts

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KitGuru Says: Intel has made some bold claims this week and there is still much work to be done to deliver on these promises over the next several years. 

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Leo Says Ep.62 – We NEED Taiwan! https://www.kitguru.net/tech-news/featured-announcement/leo-waldock/leo-says-ep-62-we-need-taiwan/ https://www.kitguru.net/tech-news/featured-announcement/leo-waldock/leo-says-ep-62-we-need-taiwan/#respond Thu, 13 May 2021 07:08:48 +0000 https://www.kitguru.net/?p=515171 At KitGuru we focus on technology and for obvious reasons we try to avoid politics, religion and mention of the pandemic. In today's episode of Leo Says we have pushed our editorial limits with a video about Taiwan that discusses the importance of TSMC and the peculiar way that Taiwan is diplomatically ignored by almost every nation on the planet...

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At KitGuru we focus on technology and for obvious reasons we try to avoid politics, religion and mention of the pandemic. In today's episode of Leo Says we have pushed our editorial limits with a video about Taiwan that discusses the importance of TSMC and the peculiar way that Taiwan is diplomatically ignored by almost every nation on the planet.

The UK Government has published a Green List of 12 destinations that we Brits will soon be able to visit without the need to quarantine on our return to the UK.

  • Portugal
  • Israel
  • Singapore
  • Australia
  • New Zealand
  • Brunei
  • Iceland
  • Gibraltar
  • Falkland Islands
  • Faroe Islands
  • South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands
  • St Helena, Tristan de Cunha, Ascension Island

You will note that Taiwan is missing from the list, despite its stellar virus containment, and most likely that is because Taiwan does not officially exist as a nation. That may sound like a bizarre statement and for the full background we recommend a video produced by The Economist titled ‘Is Taiwan part of China?’ that explains the fascinating history of Taiwan.

There are many reasons why we want Taiwan to maintain its independence from PRC, and TSMC's status as the world's leading foundry is close to the top of that list.

These charts from TSMC give us a clear picture of TSMC's lead in fabrication technology over Intel and Samsung and thir plans for captial expenditure make it plain that Taiwan and TSMC will fight hard to miantain their lead.

Leo's notes:

TSMC will spend US$100 billion in the next three years with US$30 billion ‘this year’
(Not certain whether that is 2021 or Q1 2021 to Q1 2022)

Intel is building two new fabs at its Ocotillo campus in Arizona
Intel Capex budget for 2021 is USS19-20 billion
(in 2020 they spent US$14.3 billion and in 2019 US$16.2 billion)

SMIC will invest US$2.35 billion in Shenzen and should come online in 2022

TSMC is building a fab in Arizona, although surely not at the cutting edge
Samsung will expand their fab in Austin, TX

In December 2020 the EU announced they would deliver a 2nm fab somewhere in the EU by 2030 with a proposed budget of Euros 145 billion.

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KitGuru says: Even the slightest problem at TSMC sends shock waves around the world, so the outbreak of military conflict could bring global supply chains to a complete halt.

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Leo Says Ep. 61 – Nvidia wants to rule the world https://www.kitguru.net/tech-news/featured-announcement/leo-waldock/leo-says-ep-61-nvidia-wants-to-rule-the-world/ https://www.kitguru.net/tech-news/featured-announcement/leo-waldock/leo-says-ep-61-nvidia-wants-to-rule-the-world/#respond Thu, 29 Apr 2021 12:20:39 +0000 https://www.kitguru.net/?p=513618 Nvidia made a big splash when they announced their planned CPU named Grace at their recent virtual GTC event. We all know about Nvidia's GPUs and we are sort-of aware of Bluefield which is described as a DPU. Now Nvidia also has plans for a CPU, so that means they have a Three Chip Strategy which surely merits a video from Leo...

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Nvidia made a big splash when they announced their planned CPU named Grace at their recent virtual GTC event. We all know about Nvidia's GPUs and we are sort-of aware of Bluefield which is described as a DPU. Now Nvidia also has plans for a CPU, so that means they have a Three Chip Strategy which surely merits a video from Leo.

Timestamps:

00:00​ Start
00:15​ Leo starts a rant
01:20​ Jim @ Adored
01:50​ Leo rant continues
02:47​ Nvidia mobile
03:12​ Acquisitions
03:55​ bet against Jen-Hsun?
05:55​ Graphics cards and Omniverse
07:41​ Nvidia Compute and the future?
09:38​ A feel for Nvidia's ambition

Leo's notes:

Gamers have a distorted view of Nvidia as ‘that damned company that utterly fails to supply over-priced graphics cards.'
We know that Nvidia was ditched by Apple back in the days of Intel Core Duo after the bump gate shocker
Nvidia claimed design win after design win for Tegra yet I have never seen an Nvidia tablet, with the exception of their own Shield product.
Where are Nvidia powered smart phones?

Covering Nvidia drove Jim to quit doing tech analysis videos for AdoredTV.
And yet, the graphics cards I have bought over the past few years for my own PC have been an EVGA GTX 980, reference GTX 1080 and a Founder’s Edition RTX 2080.
Just look at Nvidia’s stock price and market cap!

Nvidia acquired Mellanox for $7 billion in April 2020
In September 2020 Nvidia announced they want to buy ARM for US$40 billion

Omniverse and Digital Twins
Auto – Orin can replace many electronic control units with a single SoC with Atlan, due in 2024.

Hyperion 8 is a platform for cars. Nvidia DRIVE includes Grace, Bluefield and Ampere Next

Three chip strategy for data centres – GPU, CPU and DPU

GPUs generate a lot of cross-datacenter traffic, including Deep learning,
There is need for Nvidia's networking processors, the Data Processing Unit (DPU)
The Bluefield family of DPUs comes from Mellanox, and is now a core part of Nvidia’s offerings
Bluefield is designed to offload a major part of network functions, including all the processing that goes with them, such as SSL and security analysis.
SuperPOD has been updated with Bluefield 2 and can include the A100 with 80GB
Enterprise AI A10 and A30, SuperPOD with BlueField 2 and EGX
SuperPOD starts at US$7 million and scales to US $60 million for a full system

Nvidia announces Bluefield 3 DPU 400Gbps network processor with 22 billion transistors
Nvidia is already working on Bluefield 4 for 2024, which will be around 64B transistors, and incorporate Nvidia's AI acceleration technology

Nvidia DGX Station 320G can transfer 8TB of data in one second.
Consumes ‘just 1,500W’ which is the maximum safe limit for a US mains power socket

KitGuru Says: Perhaps we shouldn’t compare Nvidia to AMD or Intel but should instead think in terms of Amazon, Apple and Tesla.

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Leo Says Ep. 60 – Rocket Lake could have been even worse! https://www.kitguru.net/tech-news/leo-waldock/leo-says-ep-60-rocket-lake-could-have-been-even-worse/ https://www.kitguru.net/tech-news/leo-waldock/leo-says-ep-60-rocket-lake-could-have-been-even-worse/#respond Fri, 09 Apr 2021 13:00:45 +0000 https://www.kitguru.net/?p=511230 Here's how Rocket Lake on 10nm could've been worse than what we saw last week

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Last week you were deluged by a wave of reviews around 11th Gen Intel Rocket Lake and yes, I played my part. I liked the Core i5-11600K a fair amount but was unimpressed by the Core i9-11900K. Intel's continued use of 14nm forced a reduction in core count from ten to eight while AMD Ryzen offers you 16 cores.

We all assumed that if Intel had been able to move from a 14nm fabrication process to 10nm they would have been able to increase core count and produce a CPU that could take the fight to AMD Ryzen 9 5950X. That seemed a reasonable assumption but Intel's recent launch of 3rd Gen Xeon Scalable gives us a way of checking our premise.

The new Xeon goes up to 40 cores and tramples all over the previous 28-core king-of-the-Intel-heap and it appears at first glance the combination of process shrink and increase in core count brings victory to Intel.

In addition to the raw numbers, the newish Ice Lake cores beat Cascade Lake/Icelake every which way round and this makes Intel's 3rd Gen Scalable Xeon the best Xeon you have ever seen. Intel even goes so far as to claim selective victories over AMD EPYC. The thing is, as we illustrate in our video, the clock speeds of the new 3rd Gen Xeons take a significant step back from the 14nm 2nd Gen parts at the same time that TDP increases.

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KitGuru says: If Intel had produced Rocket Lake on 10nm with Ice Lake cores, we doubt the clock speed would have hit 4.5GHz, no matter how much power they threw into the equation. Sticking with 14nm looks like it was a wise move.

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Leo Says 59: Tock Is Cheap https://www.kitguru.net/tech-news/leo-waldock/leo-says-59-tock-is-cheap/ https://www.kitguru.net/tech-news/leo-waldock/leo-says-59-tock-is-cheap/#respond Wed, 24 Mar 2021 19:48:28 +0000 https://www.kitguru.net/?p=509013 Leo discusses Intel CEO Pat Gelsinger's latest video, outlining his IDM 2.0 Vision...

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Intel CEO Pat Gelsinger took to video to outline his IDM (Integrated Device Manufacturing) 2.0 Vision during the company’s global “Intel Unleashed: Engineering the Future” webcast. Video is much safer than a Press conference or an interview as you don't have to face any questions or substantiate the claims that you make.

00:00 Start
00:15 Introduction
01:00 Tock is cheap
03:34 IDM 2.0
04:47 Process innovation???
05:09 Intels leadership in packaging technology
05:37 Expanded use of third party foundry capacity
06:30 Building a world class foundry business
07:08 Accelerating Intels IDM 2.0 strategy
07:36 Official quotes from Gelsinger
09:19 Intel’s 7nm Progress
10:27 Some notes
11:19 Product Roadmap update
12:48 Ponte Vecchio gets exposed
13:22 Leo ‘prove it to us Intel, I have no faith you can deliver’

NEWS HIGHLIGHTS

Announcing manufacturing expansion plans; beginning with $20 billion investment to build two new fabs in Arizona
Intel 7 nanometer process development progressing well with tape in of 7nm compute tile for “Meteor Lake” expected in the second quarter of 2021
Announcing Intel Foundry Services with plans to become a major provider of foundry capacity in the U.S. and Europe to serve customers globally
Announcing plans for new research collaboration with IBM
Bringing the spirit of Intel Developer Forum event back this year with Intel Innovation event planned for October in San Francisco

IDM 2.0 represents the combination of three components that will enable the company to drive sustained technology and product leadership:

Today, Gelsinger re-affirmed the company’s expectation to continue manufacturing the majority of its products internally. The company’s 7nm development is progressing well, driven by increased use of extreme ultraviolet lithography (EUV) in a rearchitected, simplified process flow.

Intel expects to tape in the compute tile for its first 7nm client CPU (code-named “Meteor Lake”) in the second quarter of this year.

“In addition to process innovation” – say what?

Intel’s leadership in packaging technology is an important differentiator that enables the combination of multiple IPs or “tiles” to deliver uniquely tailored products that meet diverse customer requirements in a world of pervasive computing.

So that's tiles rather than chiplets.

Expanded use of third-party foundry capacity. Intel expects to build on its existing relationships with third-party foundries, which today manufacture a range of Intel technology – from communications and connectivity to graphics and chipsets. Gelsinger said he expects Intel’s engagement with third-party foundries to grow and to include manufacturing for a range of modular tiles on advanced process technologies, including products at the core of Intel’s computing offerings for both client and data center segments beginning in 2023.

Building a world-class foundry business, Intel Foundry Services. Intel announced plans to become a major provider of U.S.– and Europe-based foundry capacity to serve the incredible global demand for semiconductor manufacturing.

To accelerate Intel’s IDM 2.0 strategy, Gelsinger announced a significant expansion of Intel’s manufacturing capacity, beginning with plans for two new fabs in Arizona, located at the company’s Ocotillo campus. These fabs will support the increasing requirements of Intel’s current products and customers, as well as provide committed capacity for foundry customers.

This build-out represents an investment of approximately $20 billion,
Official quotes from Gelsinger

“We are focused on four areas to deliver leadership products and digital innovations in the years ahead: one, be the leader in every category in which we compete; two, execute flawlessly to our commitments; three, passionately innovate with boldness and speed; and four, reignite our culture to attract and motivate the best engineers and technologists on the planet.”

“First, Intel’s internal factory network. Integrated manufacturing has been foundational to our success, enabling product optimization, improved economics, and supply resilience. … As I mentioned on the January earnings call, we will continue to build the majority of our products in Intel fabs. … The world will move from system-on-chip to ‘system-on-package,’ and Intel’s unquestioned leadership in packaging technologies becomes even more valuable.”

“Second, we will also expand our use of third-party foundry capacity across our portfolio to deliver the best products in every category that we participate in.”

Leo's key takeaways

Ponte Vecchio Xe-HPC graphics and Aurora due at the end of 2021

Meteor Lake design will be taped in by end of Q2 2021
client CPU for 2023 with ‘7nm compute tile'
12th Gen Alder Lake on 10nm with Golden Cove and DDR4/DDR5/LPDDR5
13th Gen Raptor Lake on 10nm with Golden Cove and DDR5/LPDDR5X
14th Gen Meteor Lake on 7nm with Redwood Cove

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KitGuru says: Stay tuned for the 11th Gen reviews coming soon.

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Luke & Leo (Ep8) AMD Ryzen 5000 Pricing https://www.kitguru.net/components/cpu/luke-hill/luke-leo-ep8-amd-ryzen-5000-pricing/ https://www.kitguru.net/components/cpu/luke-hill/luke-leo-ep8-amd-ryzen-5000-pricing/#respond Sat, 28 Nov 2020 14:54:28 +0000 https://www.kitguru.net/?p=495764 Ryzen 5000 has launched and both Luke and Leo are impressed by the performance offered up by the chips. Some of AMD's pricing decisions seem a bit bizarre, though, and have let Intel back into the picture with some of their ageing refined 14nm processors. Let's discuss Ryzen 5000, Zen 3, Intel competition, and more availability woes.

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Ryzen 5000 has launched and both Luke and Leo are impressed by the performance offered up by the chips. Some of AMD's pricing decisions seem a bit bizarre, though, and have let Intel back into the picture with some of their ageing refined 14nm processors. Let's discuss Ryzen 5000, Zen 3, Intel competition, and more availability woes.

Video Timestamps:

00:00 Video start
00:13 Introduction
00:50 Leos previous videos on AMD/Intel
01:57 Luke loves the 5900x/5950x / pricing
03:05 AMD’s price increase let Intel back into the picture
04:07 More discussion on pricing and Intel 10th Gen / Zen 3
07:56 AM4 platform is far superior / B550 what about X570 ?
10:46 Precision Boost Overdrive 2 and clocks
15:59 AMDs pricing increase, are YOU happy paying more?
18:34 Did AMD mean launch this with Zen 3 Ryzen 5000 ?

Video Points:

Ryzen 5000 Performs Very Well, But Is Not Cheap and Is Barely Available!

  • Ryzen 5000 is impressive! Too bad it is out of stock in most places!
  • Leo estimated quite correctly that Ryzen 5000 would be a winner before it even launched.
  • The price is a bit of a sore subject though
    • Maybe some additional models would help the pricing
  • 5950X opens up a new level of performance, just like the 3950X before it did
    • But we really like the Ryzen 9 5900X 12-core chip!

Have The Price Increases Been Justified?

  • Do you think the price increase has been justified?
    • What about the cooler? Do you miss its usefulness even on the higher core count processors?

Intel Is Still Hanging Around With Some Competitive Options

  • Intel is still hanging around fairly reasonably with the competitive Core i9-10850K at £440
  • Intel’s 11th Gen processors certainly look like they’ll be less impressive though
  • Other than pricing on some SKUs, pretty much everything about Zen 3 is highly impressive!

AM4 Is A Superb Platform And Keeps Getting Better

  • The AM4 platform also continues to prove superb, especially with competitive and competent B550 offerings
  • Leo likes the ASRock B550 Extreme 4 that he is currently reviewing

PBO2 Adds Further Value To Ryzen 5000 CPUs

  • PBO2 – what is it and how does it work in relation to PB2 and PBO?
  • AMD’s Precision Boost and Precision Boost Overdrive operating modes are very well designed and optimised
  • Undervolting should open up some additional overclocking/frequency headroom, just like we often see on laptops
  • PBO2 for 400 and 500 series chipsets, but it needs a Ryzen 5000 CPU
  • Will this help the dual-CCD processors in particular?

Fingers Crossed Ryzen 5000 Will Have Better Availability Soon

  • Ryzen 5000 proves alluring in many aspects – maybe we should stop mentioning the higher pricing as it very much looks to be justified!
  • Leo is tempted to upgrade his 12-core Zen+ Threadripper to Zen 3 – does his wallet deserve the battering?
  • Cache Memory or Cash Money?

Has The New Ryzen 9 5950X Made Threadripper Unnecessary?

  • We love Threadripper, but perhaps the Ryzen 9 5950X makes AMD HEDT even more niche

AMD's AGESA Update System Is Very Consumer Friendly

  • The way the AGESA updates give free performance boosts with good BIOS stability is very consumer friendly, provided bugs are minimal
  • While we have dished out some pricing criticism for Ryzen 5000 – notably the 8 core – almost every other aspect of Zen 3 is highly praiseworthy!

KitGuru says:What are you thoughts on Ryzen 5000? Are you anxiously waiting to get an order in when stock becomes more prevalant in your region? Or have you been swayed to an alternative option at the given price points? Let us know!

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Luke and Leo Get Technical (Ep7) – AMD & Nvidia Supply Problems https://www.kitguru.net/components/graphic-cards/luke-hill/luke-and-leo-get-technical-ep7-amd-nvidia-supply-problems/ https://www.kitguru.net/components/graphic-cards/luke-hill/luke-and-leo-get-technical-ep7-amd-nvidia-supply-problems/#respond Thu, 26 Nov 2020 13:12:47 +0000 https://www.kitguru.net/?p=495631 Leo is loving life with his AMD RX 6800 XT graphics card to go alongside his liquid cooled Nvidia RTX 3080. Is he the luckiest graphics card enthusiast around by having managed to bag both cards? And what is exactly is going on with supply? Let's have a discussion...

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Leo is loving life with his AMD RX 6800 XT graphics card to go alongside his liquid cooled Nvidia RTX 3080. Is he the luckiest graphics card enthusiast around by having managed to bag both cards? And what is exactly is going on with supply? Let's have a discussion…

Video Timestamps:

  • 00:00 Video Start
  • 00:13 Introduction
  • 00:57 Leo shows off to annoy people
  • 01:24 Paper launches – or are they?!
  • 02:40 Leo buys GPUs and public hate him for it – so do most of the KitGuru team
  • 03:49 e-tailers talk to KitGuru about pricing and stock issues – Nvidia shop crashes
  • 06:14 Why can’t Nvidia website handle big traffic anyway?
  • 08:00 KitGuru staff get some cards after 10 weeks waiting
  • 09:09 Is it really a paper launch? Why is supply so limited?
  • 11:00 TSMC and processes
  • 12:35 Everyone is impressed with AMD… but
  • 14:43 Luke and Leo discuss stock, demand and problems
  • 18:43 Closing thoughts

Video Points:

Leo is loving life with his AMD and Nvidia Cards

  • Leo is one of the lucky few who managed to get his hands on the RX 6800 XT at launch
    • He did have to ask a favour to get his card reserved, though!
  • Leo also has the RTX 3080 which he bought from a contact at a non-scalper price
  • Is Leo the luckiest geek in the UK with access to both of these monster graphics cards?

The Stock Situation Seems Dire!

  • Stock issues Galore!
  • Was this a paper launch for Nvidia and AMD?
  • E-tailers have had a tough time getting stock too
    • They are getting a very small fraction of the units that they have ordered
  • It has been tough for consumers to even buy with the websites crashing regularly
    • Drastic measures have been taken by some e-tailers to address these issues
    • Many anti-scalper measures too
  • KitGuru’s James finally got his RTX 3080 that he ordered himself on launch day
  • Never mind which AIB card do you buy; you just buy whatever you can get your hands on!

Why Is the Supply So Constrained?

  • Why is supply so limited, even accounting for the huge demand?
  • Is TSMC’s fabs being under such high demand playing a part?
  • What about Nvidia’s cards that are fabbed by Samsung but are still out of stock in many places?

Credit to AMD For Finally Delivering a Competitive Flagship… With TSMC's Assistance

  • Stock issues aside, AMD has done a great job alongside TSMC, especially with these new Big Navi graphics cards…
  • But they have also had some luck along the way!

And More on Supply Constraints!

  • Are cardboard boxes to blame… probably not!
  • Perhaps the global issues have played a bigger part in the supply challenges than we realise
  • Fingers crossed TSMC’s new US fab will help ease supply pressures in the future
  • When do you think you will be able to buy an Ampere or Big Navi graphics card?

Discuss on our Facebook page HERE.

KitGuru says: Have you been lucky enough to get your hands on one of the new graphics cards? Are you still waiting for your pre-order? Or have you been completely dissuaded on a purchase by the launch problems?

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Leo Says Ep.52 – AMD Big Navi, Yes Please! https://www.kitguru.net/components/graphic-cards/dominic-moass/leo-says-ep-52-amd-big-navi-yes-please/ https://www.kitguru.net/components/graphic-cards/dominic-moass/leo-says-ep-52-amd-big-navi-yes-please/#respond Fri, 30 Oct 2020 09:00:01 +0000 https://www.kitguru.net/?p=492087 Leo was prepared to be underwhelmed by AMD's big reveal about Radeon RX 6000 but Holy Heck did Lisa Su do the business. The new RX 6800 and 6800 XT take the fight to Nvidia RTX 3070 and 3080 but who predicted that Radeon RX 6900 XT might take on the mighty RTX 3090?

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Leo was prepared to be underwhelmed by AMD's big reveal about Radeon RX 6000 but Holy Heck did Lisa Su do the business. The new RX 6800 and 6800 XT take the fight to Nvidia RTX 3070 and 3080 but who predicted that Radeon RX 6900 XT might take on the mighty RTX 3090? Leo was so shocked he nearly put down his gin and tonic. We have been praying for competition in the graphics market – could late 2020 be the point where the tide is starting to turn?

Timestamps:

00:00 Video Start
00:13 AMD Big Navi, Leo is excited
01:26 What does Leo think? let's talk technical
08:36 RX 6900 XT – wowsers
09:10 The platform and release dates
10:09 The pricing
11:12 Leo’s closing thoughts

Read the RX 6000 announcement article HERE.

Discuss on our Facebook page HERE.

KitGuru says: Be sure to let us know your thoughts and if you agree (or disagree) with Leo. Love him, or hate him – he says it, cause he means it!

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Leo Says Ep.51 – Zen 3 makes Intel look cheap! https://www.kitguru.net/components/cpu/dominic-moass/leo-says-ep-51-zen-3-makes-intel-look-cheap/ https://www.kitguru.net/components/cpu/dominic-moass/leo-says-ep-51-zen-3-makes-intel-look-cheap/#respond Tue, 13 Oct 2020 07:40:26 +0000 https://www.kitguru.net/?p=489468 AMD is claiming enormous IPC increases of 19 percent with its Ryzen 5000 CPUs, and a win over Intel when it comes to 1080p gaming. Zen 3 looks very, very good but you can rely on Leo to find something that causes mild annoyance...

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Lisa Su, the Boss of AMD, recently took to the stage to announce their Zen 3 architecture and the details of four Ryzen 5000 CPUs that will go on sale on 5th November. AMD is claiming enormous IPC increases of 19 percent and a win over Intel when it comes to 1080p gaming. Zen 3 looks very, very good but you can rely on Leo to find something that causes mild annoyance.

Matthew covered the Zen 3 news HERE.

Leo's notes

AMD began 2020 on a high and last week's news about Zen 3 and Ryzen 5000 suggests they will be finishing 2020 on an even higher note. Zen 3 architecture has been announced along with details of four Ryzen 5000 CPUs. The numbering system for AMD desktop parts will skip Ryzen 4000 and we assume that mobile and APU parts will also use 5000 numbering when they move to Zen 3 architecture.

In many respects Zen 3 looks like a refinement of Zen, Zen+ and Zen 2 although AMD assures us that Zen 3 is a new architecture with significant changes and this leads to a huge 19 percent increase in IPC. The big change is that Zen 3 has an 8-core complex with 32MB of shared L3 cache that reduces latency. If we were being rude we might suggest it will also cover up AMD's rather slow DDR4 memory controller.

Ryzen 5000 CPUs continue to use 7nm on socket AM4 with DDR4-3600MHz and are a drop-in upgrade on your 500-series motherboard once you have upgraded to a BIOS with AGESA 1.1.0.0. Boost clocks are improved but all-core clock speeds appear to be unchanged. Zen 3 support on 400-series motherboards will follow early in 2021.

AMD has said that all four parts will be available on 5th November.

AMD is jacking up their prices and will increase them slightly more than it first appears as Ryzen 9 5900X and Ryzen 7 5800X will ship without a cooler just like Ryzen 3000 XT.

Ryzen 5 5600X will ship with a cooler, most likely a Wraith Spire.

Zen 3 is much more efficient than Intel Skylake and AMD correctly states they can do more work than Intel while using much less power however AMD is now claiming they can beat Intel in 1080p gaming.

The next move will surely be for AMD to launch Zen 3 Milan EPYC, still sporting up to 64 cores, and we can only imagine how much of a boost the larger Zen 3 core complexes will give to EPYC. We have to assume the reduction in latency will be more pronounced in EPYC than it is on the desktop. And yes, we are keen to see Zen 3 Threadripper just as soon as possible.

You can tell that Intel knows it doesn't have a leg to stand on. The day before the Zen 3 event Intel released a blog post that told us very little except that 11th Gen Rocket Lake has been pushed back to the end of March 2021. This is an 8-core CPU on 14nm that finally supports PCI Express 4 and that does not sound very inspiring in 2021, let alone 2021.

While we're piling on the bad news let's also point out that Intel High End Desktop will be stuck with X299 for months to come and cannot hope to move beyond 18 cores until they have 10nm in play. We haven't yet seen 10nm Ice Lake-SP and judging by our recent preview of Tiger Lake we need to see Intel skipping past Ice Lake-SP just as soon as possible.

When will Intel ship the Aurora Supercomputer? How are things going with Ponte Vecchio 7nm graphics?

That's a long list of bad news for Intel but when you look at our particular corner of the enthusiast market things are distinctly less gloomy. Intel Core i7-10700K and Core i9-10900K sell for sensible prices compared to AMD and very shortly will look positively cheap. You can say what you like about Zen 3 but you cannot claim those processors are likely to see at a discount.

The irony here is rich beyond measure. If you want the most powerful server or a grunty workstation or a laptop with all day battery life you want to shop with AMD but if you want a value gaming PC you should take a careful look at Intel Core i7.

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KitGuru says: We can understand that AMD is going to push pricing hard to maximise profit, however Ryzen 7 5800X looks expensive and that gives Intel the opportunity to appeal to gamers who are looking for a bargain. Doesn't that just sound weird!

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Leo Says Ep.50 – Intel Hot ‘n’ Spicy! https://www.kitguru.net/components/cpu/dominic-moass/leo-says-ep-50-intel-hot-n-spicy/ https://www.kitguru.net/components/cpu/dominic-moass/leo-says-ep-50-intel-hot-n-spicy/#respond Tue, 25 Aug 2020 11:00:10 +0000 https://www.kitguru.net/?p=482904 Today we are back and pleased to hit the 50-episode milestone for Leo Says! In this Half-Century special, Leo is one again looking closely at Intel and the latest news surrounding the company. There's more discussion about Xe GPUs, Ponte Vecchio, and a look ahead to both Alder Lake and Tiger Lake CPUs...

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Today we are back and pleased to hit the 50-episode milestone for Leo Says! In this Half-Century special, Leo is one again looking closely at Intel and the latest news surrounding the company. There's more discussion about Xe GPUs, Ponte Vecchio, and a look ahead to both Alder Lake and Tiger Lake CPUs…

TIMESTAMPS:

00:00 Video Start
00:13 Leo is in a party mood
01:23 Intel has 6 pillars of technology (no really they do).
01:46 Brushing under the carpet
02:52 What has Intel wanted to talk about?
05:18 Intel Graphics!
08:25 Tiger Lake

Leo's notes:

Leo Says 50 – Intel, Hot and Spicy

Intel recently held an Architecture Day and soon after that Raja delivered an address at Hot Chips 2020 which was held as a virtual event this year. So yes, I paid money to hear Raja talk! Intel sent a gift box to those of us who signed up for Hot Chips and while it was a generous gesture it seemed like a bold move to associate Intel’s name with ‘Real Hot’. On a separate note I recently had a birthday and Techtesters kindly sent me cake and alcohol which was damn gracious of them.

Intel has Six Pillars of Technology which are: Software, Security, Interconnect, Memory, XPU Architecture and Process & Packaging

Judging by documents I have seen, Intel is unsure whether they will hang on to the Aurora design win and are now talking about how they will ‘…deliver the technology foundation for the Aurora supercomputer, which is designed specifically for the convergence of artificial intelligence and high-performance computing at extreme computing scale.’ My best guess is that Aurora will ship with graphics from another vendor that may later be swapped out for Ponte Vecchio.

Intel has grand plans for the future that involve clever packaging that stitches chips together and stacks them as high as you like. There will be no need to worry about process technology and Moore’s Law will continue to live as they pack more transistors into millimetres cubed, rather than millimetres squared. Perhaps it will work and perhaps not but there can be little doubt that 2020 is ending on a dismal note for Intel.

Intel confirmed that Alder Lake, launching in H2 2021, is a hybrid with big Sunny Cove and little Gracemont cores. That sounds like a laptop processor to me and I have to wonder whether 12th Gen Alder Lake-S on the desktop with a new LGA1700 motherboard will make any sense.

It was noticeable that Intel did not talk about 11th Gen Rocket Lake which is launching later this year on the current LGA1200 socket. This CPU is due to deliver PCIe Gen 4 while the core count drops from 10 to 8. Perhaps Intel will push the all-core Turbo beyond 5GHz but how can this 8-core CPU possibly match AMD Zen 3?

Intel XE-LP is in production as DG1 and shipping later this year. We first expect to see Xe graphics in Tiger Lake which is due to be launched in the very near future. Intel announced their  Xe-HP graphics are sampling to data centre customers. These are very high power GPUs that may or may not cause sleepless nights for Nvidia. Xe-LP and Xe-HP use Intel 10nm SuperFin but we expect the Xe-HPG gaming graphics chip will be built by TSMC.

Incidentally, Nvidia RTX 3090 is rumoured to be a triple slot design that pulls 250W for the GPU and 330W-350W for the graphics card as a whole. Don’t expect to see Ampere GPUs coming from TSMC this year as the first Amperes are all rumoured to be Samsung chips.

Intel Tiger Lake will use Willow Cove cores on a 10nmSF process – the SF stands for SuperFin transistors. By the look of it the ‘new’ Willow Cove cores in Tiger Lake are very similar to Sunny Cove (found in Ice Lake) except they use SuperFin which enables them run at a proper clock speed. That is clearly welcome however the rumour is that the change from Sunny Cove to Willow Cove requires 30 percent more power.

If that is true it take a considerable amount of shine off 10nm SuperFin and that will mark the end of a particularly grim 2020 for Intel.

KitGuru says: Be sure to let us know your thoughts and if you agree (or disagree) with Leo. Love him, or hate him – he says it, cause he means it!

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Leo Says Ep.49 – Intel Tiger Lake https://www.kitguru.net/components/cpu/dominic-moass/leo-says-ep-49-intel-tiger-lake/ https://www.kitguru.net/components/cpu/dominic-moass/leo-says-ep-49-intel-tiger-lake/#respond Thu, 06 Aug 2020 16:33:08 +0000 https://www.kitguru.net/?p=480546 Today Leo is back, and Intel remains a hot topic of conversation. In this episode, our grumpy hero is focusing on the company's Tiger Lake architecture which is set for release next month. We first saw Tiger Lake back at CES 2020, so you can bet Leo had a lot to say on the topic back then... and there's even more to say now...

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Today we are back with another episode of Leo Says, and Intel remains a hot topic of conversation. In this episode, our grumpy hero is focusing on the company's Tiger Lake architecture which is set for release next month. We first saw Tiger Lake back at CES 2020, so you can bet Leo had a lot to say on the topic back then… and there's even more to say now.

Leo's notes:

At the end of Leo Says 48 I said ‘Ice Lake at the end of this year please Intel’ by which I meant Ice Lake-SP. I'm going to shift my position slightly and say ‘I’m watching out for Tiger Lake’

Intel showed Tiger Lake at CES 2020 and I was not blown away. It was hard to escape the thought that Tiger Lake was Ice Lake plus a percentage and I very much doubted that percentage would be 50 percent, which was what I wanted to see.

Tiger Lake uses Intel 10nm+.

Xe graphics architecture and Willow Cove cores. Ice Lake, Sunny Cove, 64 EU Gen 11, 122 square mm .Tiger Lake, Willow Cove, 96 EU Xe, 146 square mm. Packaging looks conventional, without Foveros or stacking however the clock speeds of Tiger Lake-U looks huge! Base speed 2.8GHz or 3.0GHz and Turbo to 4.7GHz

Compal 2019 Annual Report printed 13th May 2020. Pages 146 and 147.

  • Tiger Lake-U with LPDDR5 to be launched September 2020.
  • Intel will launch 14nm Rocket Lake in the desktop mid-range at end of Q4 2020.
  • Q4 2020 Intel Jasper Lake quad core Atom on 10nm for Chromebooks.
  • 8-core Tiger Lake-H on 10nm with DDR4 in Q1 2011 (sic, surely 2021).
  • Intel will not launch 14nm products in 2021.
  • In 2021 Intel will launch Alder Lake so potentially 10nm rather than 14nm and with support for DDR5 along with DDR4.
  • Intel Ice Lake-SP 10nm is due in 2020 with PCIe Gen 4 and 8-channel DDR4.
  • In H2 2021 Intel is expected to launch Sapphire Rapids, their second 10nm Server part, which will use DDR5 memory, Willow Cove cores and PCIe Gen 5. This is the CPU that will power Aurora and that might put them ahead of AMD, pending Zen 4.

KitGuru says: Be sure to let us know your thoughts and if you agree (or disagree) with Leo. Love him, or hate him – he says it, cause he means it!

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Leo Says Ep.48 – Intel 7nm sounds AWFUL https://www.kitguru.net/tech-news/dominic-moass/leo-says-ep-48-intel-7nm-sounds-awful/ https://www.kitguru.net/tech-news/dominic-moass/leo-says-ep-48-intel-7nm-sounds-awful/#respond Thu, 30 Jul 2020 07:25:39 +0000 https://www.kitguru.net/?p=479470 Intel has been in the news this past week, and today Leo weighs in with his thoughts on it all...

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We've been hearing a lot about Intel's attempts to move on from its ageing 14nm process technology. Issues surrounding its 10nm process have been reported on for a couple of years already, and now new information has surfaced on the company's apparent struggles with 7nm. You can bet our grumpy hero, none other than Leo Waldock, has a lot to say on the matter…

Leo's notes:

Linus and his XMP video. Overclocking Core i9-10900K delivers limited returns so restricting DDR4 speed on chipsets below Z490 looks like a kick in the teeth for Intel’s enthusiast customers.

Intel’s recent financial call was a bit of an eye opener

Bob Swan is ‘not pleased with our 7nm process performance’. Intel 7nm is 12 months behind schedule, which will delay 7nm products by 6 months. A few days later Bob Swan reorganised Intel’s structure and Murthy Renduchintala, the Boss of 7nm, found he no longer had a job.

10nm has been a slow rolling, on-going disaster and now 7nm seems to be going the same way. According to a source for Jim at Adored TV ‘7 is looking worse than 10.’

Intel is due to ship Aorora Supercomputer in 2021 using Sapphire Rapids and Ponte Vecchio.

Intel stated that Ponte Vecchio Xe graphics would be made on 7nm. Ponte Vecchio is due to ship late 2021 or early 2022 which sounds like 7nm will start shipping too late for Aurora. It sounds like Aurora will be getting the very first Ponte Vecchio graphics so let’s hope they work correctly.

KitGuru: Is the hardware for Aurora still Sapphire Rapids and Ponte Vecchio?
Intel: Aurora is built on Sapphire Rapids and Ponte Vecchio. Sapphire Rapids is a next generation, 10nm-based Xeon Scalable Processor that will offer advances in performance, AI, and other areas. Sapphire Rapids will be the CPU used in the Aurora Exascale supercomputer system at Argonne National Lab. It will continue our strategy of built-in AI acceleration with a new accelerator called Advanced Matrix Extensions (AMX). We expect to start initial production shipments of Sapphire Rapids in the second half of 2021. Our data center GPU design, “Ponte Vecchio”, will now be released in late 2021 or early 2022 utilizing external and internal process technologies combined with our world-leading packaging technologies.

If Intel cannot deliver 10nm Ice Lake Server at the end of 2020, and Intel 7nm is truly even worse than 10nm, it is entirely possible they will have permanently stalled on process. We have seen Glo Flo get stuck at 12nm and the usual thing is that once a company gets stuck there is no way back. In Intel's case moving on from Skylake to to Sunny Cove, Willow Cove and Golden Cove even if it is on 14nm should bring substantial benefits so failing at 10nm and 7nm is far from good but might not be the end of the road for PC enthusiasts and gamers.

Intel 11th Gen Rocket Lake with Willow Cove architecture, PCIe Gen 4 and Core i9 with 8C/16T. The rumour is that 11th Gen Core i7 will have with 8 cores and 12 threads. The fact it will be on 14nm is, relatively speaking, a mere detail.

Intel 12th Gen Alder Lake with DDR5, Golden Cove architecture and a combination of 8 desktop cores and 8 Atom cores. In Hybrid mode it seems Hyper Threading will be disabled. If Alder Lake is going to use 10nm Intel needs to get its house in order right now, otherwise we shall be seeing yet another 14nm desktop CPU.

KitGuru says: Be sure to let us know your thoughts and if you agree (or disagree) with Leo. Love him, or hate him – he says it, cause he means it!

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Leo Says Episode 42 – All About CPUs! https://www.kitguru.net/channel/generaltech/dominic-moass/leo-says-episode-42-all-about-cpus/ https://www.kitguru.net/channel/generaltech/dominic-moass/leo-says-episode-42-all-about-cpus/#respond Wed, 25 Sep 2019 08:18:29 +0000 https://www.kitguru.net/?p=427188 Back with another episode of Leo Says, today Leo is focused on the latest news around AMD and Intel's CPUs

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Today Leo is back with another episode of Leo Says, with a big focus on CPUs. Our grumpy hero has a lot to discuss, starting with the news that the 16-core Ryzen 9 3950X has been delayed – but there is also discussion around the upcoming third generation of Threadripper processors, while Leo also does battle with Intel's naming convention for its 10th Gen mobile processors.

Timestamps:

00:15 Processors – the current state in 2019
01:13 AMD had delayed the 16 core Ryzen 9 3950X until November – TSMC issues
03:03 AMD will launch Zen 2 Threadripper with 24-cores in November along with TRX40 Motherboards
04:44 We expect Intel will launch Comet Lake-S on the desktop with a Z490 chipset
05:33 Israel with Intel Recap – 10nm Ice Lake
08:10 Nothing about 45w laptop parts from Intel
09:25 New 10 Series Intel Mobile Processors
10:49 Intels ‘Real World Performance’ Event – Der8auer snub? What did AMD do wrong?
15:44 Intel choose to ignore security issues in discussion
16:32 Core i9-9900KS and Cascade Lake-X will ship in October
17:57 Cascade Lake-X looks like Skylake-X with different pricing and 10-series numbers
19:23 AMD Threadripper rumour round up
21:11 AMD has announced EPYC 7H12 with 64 cores
22:34 LEO’s Closing thoughts on the CPU situation

Leo's Notes:
Chaos reigns in the CPU market which makes it horribly complicated to come up with a buying decision for a laptop, desktop PC or workstation.

AMD has delayed the 16-core Ryzen 9 3950X until November

AMD cannot get sufficient supplies of 7nm Zen 2 chiplets from TSMC to satisfy demand for EPYC, hence the delay for Ryzen 9

AMD will launch Zen 2 Threadripper with 24-cores In November along with TRX40 motherboards.

We expect Intel will launch Comet Lake-S (based on 14nm Skylake architecture)on the desktop with a Z490 chipset, perhaps pushing to 10-cores/20-threads

I travelled to Israel with Intel a couple of months ago and met the Ice Lake development team. There have been endless horror stories about the Intel 10nm process and it was noticeable the Israelis said absolutely nothing about feeds and speeds but despite that I fully expected the IFA show to be wall-to-wall Ice Lake laptops. I was wrong about that.

Instead we saw a handful of laptops with the basic G1 graphics with 32 Execution Units
(G4 parts have 48 EUs and G7 have 64 EUs)

10nm Ice Lake has a four digit part number that ends in G1, G4 or G7 while 14nm Comet Lake parts continue to use the Y and U naming series.
The maximum TDP, so far, for 10th Gen CPUs is 25W with a single 28W outlier. At present we know nothing about 45W CPUs that will replace models such as i9-9980HK is gaming laptops or 95W+ parts that will take over from Core i9-9900K. There is surely no way those 10th Gen parts will be based on Ice Lake.

Razer was showing a new Stealth 13 Mercury White with a Core i7-1065G7 that can be configured as 15W or 25W using Iris Pro graphics however Razer also has the Stealth 13 GTX model with Nvidia GTX 1650 graphics.

Core i7-10710U Comet Lake has a 25W TDP, 6 cores/12 threads and Max Turbo of 4.7GHz
Core i7-1065G7 Ice Lake has a 25W TDP, 4 cores/8 threads and a Max Turbo of 3.9GHz

Core i7-1065G7 Ice Lake
https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/196597/intel-core-i7-1065g7-processor-8m-cache-up-to-3-90-ghz.html

Core i7-10710U Comet Lake
https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/196448/intel-core-i7-10710u-processor-12m-cache-up-to-4-7-ghz.html

Jon Carvill and Ryan Shrout of Intel ran an event called Real World Performance to prove Intel is superior.
Der8auer was unimpressed that Intel used his reader poll on Zen 2 boost speeds without getting in touch. After all, Roman lives in Berlin and knew nothing about what Intel did until he heard reports.

Half of Ryzen 5 3600 users saw the correct single core Boost
Only 5.6 percent of Ryzen 9 3900X owners saw the correct maximum boost clock

There are now rumours about Ryzen 5 3500 and 3500X with 6 cores and 6 threads

My original premise was that desktop CPUs got the worst chiplets. The best go into EPYC. Ryzen 5 3600 must surely be the worst chiplets that come out of TSMC.
Intel made hay about the fact that AMD Zen 2 CPUs do not hit the advertised Boost speeds and suggested that AGESA updates after launch had slowed CPUs even further. The current view is that AMD has reduced the maximum Precision Boost 2 speed from 80 degrees C to 75C to help longevity but there is clearly other stuff going on.

For some reason Intel forgot to talk about security.

At the RWP event Intel stated that Core i9-9900KS and Cascade Lake-X will ship in October
The i9-9900KS Turbos to 5.0GHz all cores, apparently with a 127W TDP.

Cascade Lake-X looks like Skylake-X with different pricing and 10-series numbers such as i9-10980 XE and i9-10940X

32-core Sharktooth Threadripper has been seen in a leaked benchmark as 70 percent stronger than the 32-core 2990WX so 24-core Threadripper should demolish Cascade Lake-X
There will be an updated 4-channel Threadripper chipset called TRX40
WRX80 8-channel Threadripper chipset wil presumably support the anticipated 48-core (64-core?) Threadripper
24-core is 4×6 core. Assuming there is a 16-core that will be 4×4.
8-core chiplets are reserved for EPYC.

AMD has announced EPYC 7H12 with 64 cores, a higher base speed of 2.60GHz (EPYC 7742 is 2.25GHz) the TDP has increased from 225W to 280W.

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Leo Says Ep 41- MSI in Spain https://www.kitguru.net/components/matthew-wilson/leo-says-ep-41-msi-in-spain/ https://www.kitguru.net/components/matthew-wilson/leo-says-ep-41-msi-in-spain/#respond Mon, 08 Jul 2019 10:04:58 +0000 https://www.kitguru.net/?p=417588 Last week LEO spent some time with MSI over in Spain to get the lowdown on X570 motherboards and MSI's upcoming slate of cases and monitors!

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Last week, Leo spent some time with MSI in Spain to get the low-down on the upcoming range of X570 motherboards and a few other interesting launches set for 2019. With MSI's stake in the gaming market continuing to grow, new displays and cases were another big focus. 

Here are Leo's notes for this week's episode:

Event organised by CND (others sections are GNP Graphics and Peripherals and NB Notebooks). CND is All in One PCs, MiniPC, Gaming PCs and motherboards, monitors, chairs and cases.

No pre-sales for X570 motherboards but MSI showed their range of X570 motherboards.

Prestige series is aimed squarely at content creators. The Prestige P100 targets 3D work with ‘silent pro cooling'. The Prestige PS34WU is a 5K monitor with DisplayHDR 600. On the gaming monitor front, we have the Oculux range, which is G-Sync only and the Optix range, which supports FreeSync instead.

MSI is expanding its case selection. The MPG Gungnir is a full tower- the Gungnir 100 has RGB, the 100P does not and the 100D is named after the MSI dragon. The MPG Sekira series has two SKUs, the Sekira 500X comes with two glass doors, the 500G is gold.

The MPG Harpe 300X is a concept case using laminated glass. Finally, MSI is also releasing its own MAG CH110 gaming chair.

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Leo Says Episode 40: The Intel Special https://www.kitguru.net/components/leo-waldock/leo-says-episode-40-the-intel-special/ https://www.kitguru.net/components/leo-waldock/leo-says-episode-40-the-intel-special/#respond Mon, 01 Jul 2019 09:05:48 +0000 https://www.kitguru.net/?p=416844 After spending a couple of days at Intel's development centre in Israel, Leo returns with an Intel-focused episode to share what was learned.

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This week Leo spent some time at Intel's development centre in Israel to get to the bottom of what they are working on, what is happening with 10nm and what the future holds for the world's largest chipmaker. 

Timestamps:
00:17 Leo was with Intel at Fab 28 in Kiryat Gat
02:12 Intel and the 10nm fiasco – and more
04:56 Sunnycove
05:33 Leo in a clean room bunnysuit
06:10 Do Intel need the positive PR ?
07:22 Leo gets told off by Intel and deletes photos
08:31 The Fab is both 14nm and 10nm – Intel spent $5 billion and possibly another $11 billion next year
10:32 Leo talks to Intel Fab manager about 10nm problems
11:44 Looking back at Intels roadmap
12:30 Clock speeds are not the key metric – its heresy!
13:35 Intel are proud of graphics in Icelake (Gen 11)
15:50 Is Intel having a bad year – are AMD set to capitalise ? What about mobile?
19:15 Intel AI chips
20:07 AMD EPYC Rome was all set to compete with Ice Lake Xeon
21:46 AMD owns the console market- but how much does it really matter?
22:42 Mobile phones – Intel did try.
23:46 AMD likely to take chunk of desktop market in 2019 onwards
24:30 We hope Ryzen 7 3000 model with 8 cores is very good – price looks competitive
24:56 Intel due to release Cascade Lake X
26:01 Competition is fascinating in CPU market
26:25 Intel financials – the current situation
28:02 The Intel visit recap, yields and more.

Leo's notes:

18 journos go to IDC (Israel Development Center) and Fab 28 in Kiryat Gat. What was Intel’s motive? Did they want to distract us from reviewing AMD Zen 2, or are they just lovely people with loads of good stuff to show off?

Intel previously locked Micro Architecture and Fabrication Process together such that Ice Lake and 10nm are synonymous. 10nm went off the rails a while back and the consequence is that Ice Lake has been on the sidelines for a year.They have now separated architecture from process but the changes will not take effect until they have a working process and 10nm does not look like that process. Let’s hope 10nm+ fills the role.

Coffee Lake was added to Intel’s roadmaps, apparently to counter AMD Ryzen. First we got the 6-core i7-8700K in 2017 and then the 8-core i9-9900K in 2018. The mobile version of Coffee Lake is named Whiskey Lake and includes mitigations for Meltdown and Spectre. Oh right, security!

So Intel added cores to counter Ryzen, failed to get 10nm off the blocks and also ran into a long list of security problems yet who could say Coffee Lake has been a failure on the desktop? Our complaints centre around high prices and the questionable thermals of a CPU that draws 180W in Auto mode. Gamers love these chips. The next desktop CPU from Intel seems to be Comet Lake which should deliver 10-cores, still on 14nm with a number of + signs. Will that compete with Ryzen 3000?

HEDT looks wobbly with Cascade Lake X on X299, still on 14nm, still offering up to 18-cores. Intel’s pricing will be interesting as the competition includes both high end Zen 2 and low end Threadripper. Will Intel slash their HEDT prices by 30% or 40%?

Intel Nervana NNP-I 1000 is an AI chip used for Inference (as opposed to NNP-T 1000 which is used for Training AI). Inference chips are lightweights where Training chips are typically hefty great graphics cards.

AMD EPYC Rome was all set to compete with Ice Lake Xeon but Intel has only just released Cascade Lake after years of Skylake which gives AMD a significant advantage in terms of cores, performance and price. On the other hand AMD is nowhere in the notebook market. Zen 2 may make inroads but AMD is effectively starting from a base of zero. Neither AMD or Intel has any presence in the world of mobile phones

When it comes to gaming consoles AMD rules the world however it has long been felt that AMD uses consoles for development and turnover while making very little profit.

AMD Q1 revenue of US$1.27 billion was down from Q1 2018. Margins up from 36 percent to 41 percent. Profits down from US$81 million to US$16 millions. Earning per share $0.01.

Intel Q1 2019 revenue US$16.1 billion which was flat margin 56.6% down from 60.6%, net income US$4.0 billion down from US$4.5 billion. Earnings per share $0.87.

KitGuru Says: July is shaping up to be an incredibly interesting time for hardware enthusiasts. We are preparing for multiple launches at the moment, so stay tuned for reviews and coverage. 

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AMD Special Edition – Leo Says Episode 39 https://www.kitguru.net/tech-news/dominic-moass/amd-special-edition-leo-says-episode-39/ https://www.kitguru.net/tech-news/dominic-moass/amd-special-edition-leo-says-episode-39/#respond Mon, 17 Jun 2019 11:42:10 +0000 https://www.kitguru.net/?p=415774 The last few weeks in the computing world have been dominated by AMD - the company stole the show at Computex with its Ryzen 3000 processors and accompanying X570 motherboards, while at E3 we got our first looking at the upcoming RX 5700 graphics cards. You can bet our grumpy hero, Mr Leo Waldock, has a lot to say on these two topics, so here he is with an AMD Special Edition of 'Leo Says'.

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The last few weeks in the computing world have been dominated by AMD – the company stole the show at Computex with its Ryzen 3000 processors and accompanying X570 motherboards, while at E3 we got our first looking at the upcoming RX 5700 graphics cards. You can bet our grumpy hero, Mr Leo Waldock, has a lot to say on these two topics, so here he is with an AMD Special Edition of ‘Leo Says'.

0:10 Introduction
0:28 Computex – the recap of 2019
3:18 We met Hardware Unboxed, Gamers Nexus and Gordon from PC World (NOT the UK store!)
5:00 The launches of AMD Zen 2, Ryzen 3000 and Navi are set for launch on 7th July
5:29 AMD X570 chipset is designed by AMD rather than ASMedia and MORE info!
6:55 X470 still useful for a lot of people
8:11 AMD Board details, pricing etc
11:30 New controllers for PCI Express Gen 4 M.2 SSD’s
13:42 Gigabyte with Infineon 16-phase VRM controller
14:41 MSI MEG X570 Godlike – ‘8-phase controller with 18-phase VRMs’ ?!
15:40 ASRock news / Mini ITX
17:00 AMD is no longer the budget option!
18:35 Zen 2 desktop Matisse details – cores, prices, advantages?
25:54 AMD EPYC Rome – clock speeds seem very modest indeed
27:39 Intel Cascade Lake-AP with dual dies on a single socket looks like a white elephant
29:04 AMD Navi Details emerged
31:23 Nvidia Super is coming soon
34:08 Hot chips Conference in August
34:39 Threadripper 3000 and other processor discussion
39:18 Intel – not dead yet – positive thoughts!

Notes for Leo Says Ep.39:

AMD X570 and Zen 2 were the centrepieces of Computex 2019.

Thankfully for us Intel and Nvidia were silent all week as AMD kept us busy, busy, busy.
We met Hardware Unboxed, Gamers Nexus and Gordon from PC World (NOT the UK store!)

The launches of AMD Zen 2, Ryzen 3000 and Navi are set for launch on 7th July.

AMD X570 chipset is designed by AMD rather than ASMedia. It runs at 11-15W and uses active fan cooling in almost every instance. B series chipsets will follow in time, very likely Q1 2020, rather than 2019.

If you are more interested in a 6-core or 8-core CPU and don’t need PCIe Gen4 storage or graphics you would be well advised to look at the existing X470 and B450 motherboards.

With X570 the mainstream configuration will be 16+4 PCIe Gen4 as multiple Gen4 graphics slots are complicated, expensive and unnecessary.

Video from Gigabyte Components event: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nym-4ti4ds8

Gigabyte Aorus Xtreme: https://www.aorus.com/X570-AORUS-XTREME-rev-10
Gigabyte showed an Infineon 16-phase VRM controller at Computex with 14 CPU phases and the ability to deliver 1000W to the CPU.

MSI MEG X570 Godlike continues to use IR35201 8-phase controller with 18-phase VRMs but supports multiple PCI Express slots.

ASRock came up with AMD boards with Thunderbolt 3 and also a Mini-ITX AMD board with Intel cooler mounts. Phantom Gaming-ITX/TB3

AMD is no longer the budget option.

Zen 2 desktop Matisse details
With Ryzen 9 3950X
https://www.amd.com/en/products/cpu/amd-ryzen-9-3950x

and 3900X
https://www.amd.com/en/products/cpu/amd-ryzen-9-3900x
we see the core count climbing to 16- and 12- respectively. Prices are steep for desktop parts however we are in new territory and don’t have a reference point.

Moving down to the 8-core mainstream, what advantage has Ryzen 7 3800X gained from the move to 7nm? The price looks OK at USD$399 but what about clock speeds?
If the all-core clock speed is north of 4.2GHz we should see a useful improvement over Ryzen 7 2700X but right now it looks like a replacement that trades on IPC and memory speed.

EPYC Rome clock speeds appear to be very low.
Reports have surfaced of 32-core parts with 1.7GHz Base and 2.4GHz Boost speeds.
64-core Rome is even slower with a Base speed of 1.4GHz that Boosts to 2.2GHz.
If we make allowances for those being engineering parts and add on a chunk of extra ‘development’ clock speed we might get to 3.0GHz when many people were hoping to see 3.5GHz or 4.0GHz. We can be confident EPYC Rome will deliver a massive increase in core count over Intel Xeon along with a huge amount of cache and PCI Express but how well will these new wonder CPUs perform?

EPYC Rome looks like a significant move while Intel Cascade Lake-AP with dual dies on a single socket looks like a white elephant. There are two 32-core SKUs with 250W TDP and a 48-core model at 350W. SemiAccurate reports there is also a 56-core model that is rated at 400W.

AMD Next Horizon event at E3 followed after Computex.

Navi will launch as Radeon 5700 XT at USD$449 and 5700 at USD$379
The gold and black 5700 XT 50th Anniversary will sell for USD$499 direct from AMD

AMD Navi comes with RDNA architecture that updates GCN. All those millions of consoles means AMD cannot simply forget about legacy support.

Nvidia Super is coming soon
Existing RTX 2080, 2070 and 2060 are expected to get a price cut.
The Super versions are expected to be launched at the prices of the current RTX cards (say £300, £450 and £650) with more CUDA cores and faster memory.
RTX 2060/Super will still use TU106 and RTX 2090/Super will stick with TU104.
RTX 2070 is interesting as the regular GPU uses TU106 while the Super version will use TU104.
The big question is, what will be the new price for RTX 2070?
Navi looks unimpressive on paper and makes no attempt to compete on price so it’s function in life is to drive down Nvidia’s prices. In that respect, job done.

Hot Chips conference is in August.
We expect deeper details of Zen 2 plus Intel Cascade Lake and AMD Threadripper, among others.
When will Intel talk about Cascade Lake X for HEDT?

Threadripper 3000 has been quiet however we now hope to see a Q3 launch with up to 48 cores (8x 6-cores per CCX) and 4GHz, and possibly 64-cores.
Intel Xeon W-375X, will you ever see the retail light of day?

At present the biggest problem with Threadripper for workstations seems to be the Windows 10 scheduler. We don’t yet know the impact of the Windows 1903 update

Where on earth will those Threadripper parts sit in a world that includes a 16-core Ryzen 9, Intel HEDT parts and Threadripper that spans 12-, 16-, 24- and 32-cores.
Will the 16-core continue as a high end multiple PCI Express lane part?
If not, can AMD really support a platform with three or four SKUs?
A line-up of 2nd Gen 24-core and 32-core plus a 3rd Gen 48-core and maybe a 3rd Gen 64-core would be bizarre.
Each part would merit a specific motherboard and memory configuration and the spread of prices could be enormous.

Perhaps the sole purpose of Threadripper is to torment Intel.

It is tempting to give Intel a good kicking and to write them off as a dead company walking. Intel has a long list of problems but most laptops run on Intel and Apple uses their silicon too, including those brutally expensive Apple Mac Pros and iMac Pros.

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Leo Says Ep. 38 – GTX 1660 Ti, DLSS, 16in MacBook Pro, and USB alphabet spaghetti https://www.kitguru.net/channel/dominic-moass/leo-says-ep-38-gtx-1660-ti-dlss-16in-macbook-pro-and-usb-alphabet-spaghetti/ https://www.kitguru.net/channel/dominic-moass/leo-says-ep-38-gtx-1660-ti-dlss-16in-macbook-pro-and-usb-alphabet-spaghetti/#respond Wed, 06 Mar 2019 15:13:36 +0000 https://www.kitguru.net/?p=405876 Today Leo returns with another episode of Leo Says. As always, our grumpy hero has a lot to discuss, touching first on GTX 1660 Ti and its distinct lack of RTX features. He also mentions DLSS and its limitations as explored by HARDWARE UNBOXED, while there is also news of a new 16in MacBook Pro and an overview of some announcements made at MWC 2019. You can also bet that Leo has a lot to say about the new USB naming conventions, too...

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Today Leo returns with another episode of Leo Says. As always, our grumpy hero has a lot to discuss, touching first on GTX 1660 Ti and its distinct lack of RTX features. He also mentions DLSS and its limitations as explored by HARDWARE UNBOXED, while there is also news of a new 16in MacBook Pro and an overview of some announcements made at MWC 2019. You can also bet that Leo has a lot to say about the new USB naming conventions, too…

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00:10 Introduction
00:18 Nvidia RTX and GTX – hows its all shaping up?
02:41 Nvidia DLSS getting a pasting from online media including Hardware Unboxed
05:23 Intel 9th Gen CPUs for notebooks due in Q2
08:11 Apple will produce a 16-inch MacBook Pro
09:30 Apple slipped out Radeon Pro Vega without an announcement – Navi Next?
10:20 Gigabyte’s Xeon W3175X motherboard has been named as C621 Aorus Extreme
11:11 MWC was all about 5G and folding phones
14:09 USB 3.2 is coming soon with 5Gbps, 10Gbps and 20Gbps versions.
17:16 USB4 specs announced in a few months time with a 40Gbps connection. USB4 incorporates Thunderbolt 3

Notes for Leo Says 38

Nvidia has launched GTX 1660 Ti, a non-Ray Tracing part that bats at a similar level as GTX 1070. We understand they will launch GTX 1660 and 1650 in March. This is an interesting move as everything Nvidia said about Ray Tracing and RTX counts against GTX 1660 Ti, however the performance, price and low power draw beat AMD Polaris and make GTX 1660 Ti a winner.

Nvidia DLSS has received a pasting, not least from Hardware Unboxed both in terms of the permitted combinations of GPU and resolution, and also in terms of the way it works. In essence DLSS only works when RTX is enabled and it regains the performance you lose by blurring the image. 4K with DLSS has similar performance levels to rendering at 1800p.

Intel 9th Gen CPUs for notebooks due in Q2
Core i9-9980HK 8 cores/16 threads, Turbo to around 4.8GHz
Core i7-9850H 8 cores/8 threads, Turbo to 4.6GHz
Core i5-9400H 4 cores/8 threads, Turbo to 4.3GHz
Very likely these will be 45W parts so the base clocks will be low.

And in other rumours, Apple will produce a 16-inch MacBook Pro
If the screen is edge-to-edge it is possible the chassis will have the same footprint as the current 15-inch model but you would have thought the priority was to add some bulk to the chassis to help cooling.
Radeon Pro Vega graphics will surely be superseded by Navi.

Gigabyte’s Xeon W3175X motherboard has been named as C621 Aorus Extreme

MWC was all about 5G and folding phones
We saw Royole FlexPai at CES 2019
Huawei Mate X looks superb but crazy expensive at US$2300
Samsung Galaxy Fold closes up like a paperback book and is priced at US$2000

USB 3.2 is coming soon with 5Gbps, 10Gbps and 20Gbps versions.
5Gbps is a rebadging of USB 3.0 or USB 3.1 Gen 1 and 10Gbps is a rebadged USB 3.1 Gen 2.
20Gbps is a shotgunned connection that will be named USB 3.2 2×2.
How any of us will know which device will run at what speed is a complete mystery.
We expect to see the first USB 3.2 logos on AMD X570 motherboards at Computex (along with PCI Express 4)

The specification for USB4 will be announced in a few months time with a 40Gbps connection. USB4 incorporates Thunderbolt 3. Intel's Press Release “this …enables other chip makers to build Thunderbolt compatible silicon, royalty-free”

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Leo Says 36: VEGAS Shooting Guns, Meeting youtube stars, AMD, Nvidia & Intel https://www.kitguru.net/components/matthew-wilson/leo-says-36-vegas-shooting-guns-meeting-youtube-stars-amd-nvidia-and-intel/ https://www.kitguru.net/components/matthew-wilson/leo-says-36-vegas-shooting-guns-meeting-youtube-stars-amd-nvidia-and-intel/#respond Thu, 17 Jan 2019 14:38:48 +0000 https://www.kitguru.net/?p=401456 Leo is back on UK shores after a long week at CES with Briony in Las Vegas. In today's episode, Leo runs over some additional thoughts on the show, AMD's recent CPU & GPU announcements, Intel's illusive 28-core Xeon, Nvidia RTX and more.

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Leo is back on UK shores after a long week at CES with Briony in Las Vegas. In today's episode, Leo runs over some additional thoughts on the show, AMD's recent CPU & GPU announcements, Intel's illusive 28-core Xeon, Nvidia RTX and more.

00:11 Introduction
00:33 Briony met BitWit Kyle and GamersNexus Steve
01:02 CES 2019 behind the scenes a little – shooting guns!
07:52 Nvidia RTX mobile, DLSS and more
11:17 Intel Keynote, no sign of W3175X rumoured to be $8000
16:08 AMD announced a lot of stuff at CES 2019 but didn’t showcase much
19:15 Intel Project Athena, X570 chipset and PCIe 4.0 also coming
20:22 AMD Navi has yet to break cover. AMD Radeon VII is due on 7th February with a price of US$699.
23:06 Leo and Briony shooting guns in Vegas

Leo's notes for this episode:

Briony met Bit Wit Kyle and Steve from Gamers Nexus. CES is a huge show, spread across LVCC and a bunch of hotels.

Nvidia announcements included Nvidia RTX 2060 for desktops with 6GB of GDDR6 memory. Nvidia RTX 2080, 2070 and 2060 for laptops, each with the same number of CUDA cores as the desktop chip. Expect Max-Q rather than Max-P. My big question is whether this makes mobile 4K gaming a practical proposition or are we going to focus on 1440p with higher frame rates. DLSS has been confusing.

Intel spoke about plenty of interesting products but showed very little. Still no sign of the 28-core Xeon W-3175X that is now rumoured to be USD$8,000.

AMD Ryzen 3rd Gen demonstrated beating Core i9-9900K. The CPU was shown with a 14nm IOX and a single 7nm chiplet along with a blatant space on the package where a second chiplet could be installed. This 8 core/16 thread part seems to be a Ryzen 5, with scope for 12-core Ryzen 7 and 16-core Ryzen 9 CPUs before Computex. AMD EPYC Rome due mid-2019 with 64-cores/128-threads.

Intel Project Athena follows Ultrabook. no info given. Lakefield uses big.LITTLE CPUs (to borrow ARM’s name) with Foveros to combine Core with Atom

X570 chipset and PCIe 4.0 also coming

AMD Navi has yet to break cover. AMD Radeon VII is due on 7th February with a price of US$699. This is a 7nm Vega with HBM memory that is batting against the GTX 1080Ti/RTX 2080. Anything that puts pressure on Nvidia’s prices is welcome.

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Leo Says 35: New Year’s Eve edition with RTX 2060 rumours, CTS Labs, Intel 9th Gen mobile CPUs at Computex? https://www.kitguru.net/tech-news/dominic-moass/leo-says-35-new-years-eve-edition-with-rtx-2060-rumours-cts-labs-intel-9th-gen-mobile-cpus-at-computex/ https://www.kitguru.net/tech-news/dominic-moass/leo-says-35-new-years-eve-edition-with-rtx-2060-rumours-cts-labs-intel-9th-gen-mobile-cpus-at-computex/#respond Mon, 31 Dec 2018 12:20:15 +0000 https://www.kitguru.net/?p=399492 It's the final Leo Says of the year - and there is plenty to discuss, as always

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Today our (usually) grumpy hero returns for one final Leo Says before the year comes to a close. In this new Year's Eve edition there is a lot to recap, including CTS Labs, the Bloomberg Supermicro story, as well as Intel 9th Gen mobile CPUs. The rumour mill is also spinning at a furious pace about RTX 2060 – apparently Gigabyte has over 30 different models in the works, and you can be sure Leo has his thoughts on that.

00:15 Introduction
01:01 March 2018 – CTS Labs attacked AMD
01:44 October 2018 – Bloomberg attacked Supermicro
03:15 CES is Coming – Nvidia news
04:56 Gigabyte list more than 30 RTX2060 models!
06:06 Intel will not be announcing 9th Gen Mobile CPUs at CES
07:29 CPU's – what a weird and wonderful world in 2018
08:40 Intel on an employment rampage
09:40 Well done to all these people!

Leo's notes:

In March 2018 CTS Labs attacked AMD
http://cts-labs.com/
This seemed to be a riposte on behalf of Intel after the disaster of Spectre and Meltdown that broke at the start of CES 2018. We hadn’t heard of CTS Labs before their report landed. Happily, once people started asking who had funded their report we never heard from them again.

In October Bloomberg attacked Supermicro with a report their motherboards were peppered with Chinese spy chips. Amazon and Apple defended Supermicro, however Bloomberg stood by their story.
Bloomberg never produced any evidence their allegations were correct and Supermicro’s share price dropped by more than 30 percent during 2018 but happily Supermicro has retained the confidence of their customers.

CES is coming and we are confident that Nvidia will announce RTX 20-series graphics for laptops along with RTX 2060 and 2050 for the desktop, although there are solid predictions from Videocardz.com that we will also see GTX 1160 and GTX 1150 models that are, presumably, cheaper than RTX.

Gigabyte has listed more than 30 models of RTX 2060 graphics cards with permutations 6GB, 4GB or 3GB of GDDR6 or GDDR5 with various clock speeds and a variety of coolers. This is good. It makes life interesting and means that AMD’s Navi will have to be focussed on specific market segments instead of aiming at the general area of $99-$299.

This strongly suggests Intel will not be announcing 9th Gen Mobile CPUs at CES as it would muck their laptop partners around if they brought out ranges of laptops with 8th Gen CPUs with 20-series graphics in January and then replace them with 9th Gen and 20-series in February. The good news is that we can pencil in Q2 for the next mobile CPUs as we head to Computex.

Bitcoin and Ethereum have crashed. This is good.

During 2018 we saw mainstream desktop CPUs move from four cores to eight cores with clock speeds that typically run at 4GHz and often boost to 5GHz on one or two cores. Once you drill down and include value for money is not clear which platform is best for gamers, mainstream users and power users as AM4, Z370/Z390 and X299 each have their advantages and Threadripper is also spectacular in its own way.

Intel is employing AMD graphics and CPU design people along with a bunch of journalists and reviewers. As far as I can tell the entire core staff left PC Perspective to work for Intel. This makes you wonder what products AMD will be delivering in 2022 when they are scheduled to move from 7nm++ to 5nm as they will need people to build those products. The good news is that 2022 is a long way off and in the meanwhile we can look forward to Zen 2 in 2019.

Last week we praised Gamers Nexus. The good news is that we stand by that plaudit however it has been pointed out that we might have seemed to be hijacking their traffic by using their name. That sounds bad so to make amends, I would like to say well done to Linus Tech, Marques Brownlee, Casey Neistat, Dr. Jordan Peterson, PewDiePie, Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II and His Holiness The Pope.

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Leo took a brief intermission from Leo Says series last week to review the Intel Core i9-9980XE. Today the show returns, with Leo diving into the recent Ryzen 3000 series rumours, Apple's new iPad Pro, Samsung's new QVO high-capacity SSD range, TITAN RTX and more.

00:15 Introduction
01:22 Not all processes are created equally
04:33 What does HEDT mean these days?
07:54 AMD Rumors – WOW !
11:39 Apple iPad Pro Gen 3 with A12X chip – remarkable
13:10 Samsung 860 QVO 1TB, 2TB and 4TB Quad Level Cell SSDs
15:49 Pentagon JEDI (Joint Enterprise Defense Infrastructure) Cloud Computing project.
18:15 Nvidia has launched Titan RTX priced at £2,399
19:38 Nvidia Press conference scheduled for the start of CES. Surely this is mobile 20-series graphics.

LEOS Notes:
I didn’t do a Leo Says last week but instead reviewed Intel Core i9-9980XE which effectively became a Leo Says about Intel’s use of monolithic processor dies.
Readers comments about Intel 10nm versus TSMC 7nm and Intel 14nm versus Glo Flo 14nm. All processes are not created equally, however AMD has changed its design approach by using chiplets rather than a monolithic die

Newsflash – Intel is talking about 3D stacking of logic chips
https://newsroom.intel.com/articles/new-intel-architectures-technologies-target-expanded-market-opportunities/

What does HEDT mean these days?

Rumours about AMD Ryzen 2/Ryzen 3000 to be announced at CES and then launched in Q1 with a killer Ryzen in May for AMD’s 50th birthday.
The rumours are tempting but sound too good to be true.

Ryzen 3, 6C/12T, 4GHz Boost, US$100
IOX plus one chiplet plus dummy or Navi graphics for APU
Ryzen 5, 8C/16T, 4.8GHz Boost, US$200
or an 8C/16T APU boosting to 4GHz
Ryzen 7, 12C/24T, 5GHz Boost, US$300
Ryzen 9, 16C/32T, 5GHz Boost, US$500

Apple iPad Pro and the A12X chip is remarkable
Samsung 860 QVO 1TB, 2TB and 4TB Quad Level Cell SSDs.
Pentagon JEDI (Joint Enterprise Defense Infrastructure) Cloud Computing project.
Amazon Web Services is bidding however the BBC reports that AWS is connected with C5 Group which in turn is linked with a Russian named Viktor Vekselberg. AWS says that C5 is not connected to JEDI
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-46489689
Clearly the BBC is suggesting the Russians would potentially be hooked into JEDI which seems like such an obvious question that either the US Military is stupid or the BBC is over-egging the story.

Nvidia has launched Titan RTX priced at £2,399 with 4,608 CUDA cores, 576 Tensor cores and 24GB GDDR6 memory.
Titan V costs £2,800 and has 5,120 CUDA cores, 640 Tensor cores and 12GB HBM2 memory.
Nvidia Press conference scheduled for the start of CES. Surely this is mobile 20-series graphics.

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